> On Feb 21, 2020, at 2:22 PM, Dan Wing <danw...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> There are choices, such as making connection initiation, connection 
> acceptance, and connection termination parsable by network elements on the 
> path so state can be established, maintained, and cleared, DoS can be 
> identified, and so on.  The decision was to hide all that from network 
> elements.

I think those design choices lead directly to these known cases where a UDP 
policer is encountered.  I can drive along the road and not crash into the 
trees, but when I make a choice to deploy something without the proper safety 
equipment and it crashes, blaming the road seems like a poor response.

I can already hear the QUIC WG types blaming the network in abstentia, because 
well, why would an operator want to keep their network functioning? :-)

- Jared

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