On 05Sep2022 12:56, Kurt Hackenberg <k...@panix.com> wrote:
On Mon, Sep 05, 2022 at 07:40:54PM +1000, Cameron Simpson wrote:
It seems a little conceptually cleaner to have the editor do the whole job, rather than divide it between the editor and Mutt. But another complication is that you can edit a message more than once...

I think space stuffing is effectively an escape mechanism, like quoted printable; not something you see at authoring time. The RFC even says "(Note that space-stuffing is conceptually similar to dot-stuffing as specified in [SMTP].)", which is again a transport level escaping.

So we need the overt trailing-space stuff because that's an indicator of end-of-paragraph in f=f, but not the space stuffing, because that is only needed to transport the text.

Space-stuffing doesn't have to be shown to the user while editing, but it's part of format=flowed, and it's required, not optional. The paragraph before the one you quoted is this:

   On generation, any unquoted lines which start with ">", and any lines
   which start with a space or "From " MUST be space-stuffed.  Other
   lines MAY be space-stuffed as desired.

<https://www.rfc-editor.org/rfc/rfc3676.html#section-4.4>

Yes, it is required, just as dot stuffing in SMTP is required. I still consider it part of the transport/encoding layer _conceptually_. A bit like I can compose some nonASCII Unicode text and require quoted-printable UTF-8 behind the scenes I suppose.

That's why I consider it conceptually separate. I'm not arguing that there's no requirement for space stuffing. I'm arguing that there's no need or benefit to burden the authoring interface with it.

A bit like your long-lines<->format=flowed mode switch in your emacs mode: they're semanticly equivalent, but you could compose in long-lines mode and _send_ in format=flowed format as an entirely valid way to author a format=flowed message.

I'm not sure we're disagreeing here, except for the conceptual separation of the space-stuffing step.

Cheers,
Cameron Simpson <c...@cskk.id.au>

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