Derek Martin wrote:

> On Mon, Nov 30, 2015 at 09:48:48PM +0100, Matthias Apitz wrote:
> > > > Can you put it soemwhere where only HTTP is onvolved. SSL claims the
> > > > page as insecure.
> > > 
> > > It only claims that the certificate the server is using is
> > > self-signed, meaning that it can't be validated as belonging to anyone
> > > in particular by the big certificate trusts.  If you're willing to
> > > look at it without SSL entirely, then who cares if the cert doesn't
> > > validate?  This is just not interesting.
> > 
> > Maybe for you (Derek Martin) it is not, but for me. 
> 
> OK, fair enough, but then can you please explain what the issue is?
> Can you explain how a site serving SSL with a self-signed certificate
> is the slightest bit less secure than the same one not using SSL at
> all?
> 
> > It is already an issue if a posted URL of http://... is redirected
> > to some SSL URL of untrusted certifications.
> 
> As for the redirect, it's to the same hostname, using a more secure
> version of the same protocol, albeit with an unverifiable
> certificate--but you couldn't verify the server's identity before
> either so there's no difference whatsoever in that regard.  How is
> UPGRADING the security a problem?

it's not just self-signed. that would be fine.
it's also for a different hostname (git.rmz.io, not rmz.io)
and it's expired (22/3/2015). hopefully, they are the
reasons that the browser labelled it as insecure.

but i agree that it's unimportant for the purposes
of this discussion. it's not like that jpg is asking
for a password for anything. it's just a jpg.

cheers,
raf

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