On Mon, Nov 30, 2015 at 09:48:48PM +0100, Matthias Apitz wrote:
> > > Can you put it soemwhere where only HTTP is onvolved. SSL claims the
> > > page as insecure.
> > 
> > It only claims that the certificate the server is using is
> > self-signed, meaning that it can't be validated as belonging to anyone
> > in particular by the big certificate trusts.  If you're willing to
> > look at it without SSL entirely, then who cares if the cert doesn't
> > validate?  This is just not interesting.
> 
> Maybe for you (Derek Martin) it is not, but for me. 

OK, fair enough, but then can you please explain what the issue is?
Can you explain how a site serving SSL with a self-signed certificate
is the slightest bit less secure than the same one not using SSL at
all?

> It is already an issue if a posted URL of http://... is redirected
> to some SSL URL of untrusted certifications.

As for the redirect, it's to the same hostname, using a more secure
version of the same protocol, albeit with an unverifiable
certificate--but you couldn't verify the server's identity before
either so there's no difference whatsoever in that regard.  How is
UPGRADING the security a problem?

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