On Sat, Jan 20, 2001 at 05:40:03PM +0100, Heinrich Langos wrote:
> On Fri, Jan 19, 2001 at 12:05:01PM +0000, Dave Pearson wrote:
> > On Fri, Jan 19, 2001 at 12:24:40PM +0100, Heinrich Langos wrote:
> >
> > > the problem with "-y" is that it simply doesn't work reliably.
> >
> > Yes it does.
>
> No it doesn't. Been there, tried it.
Then your experience is different from mine. I've been using mutt since
before the mailboxes feature was added and, apart from the documented issues
(which you quoted) it has always worked reliably. That's why I'm saying it
does work reliably. The only things I've ever seen that can affect it are
those that are documented.
> We talk about multiple incoming mboxes that are fed by procmail, don't we?
Correct.
> I can asure you that I often find new mail in these mailboxes eventhough
> "mutt -y" doesn't tell so. That may be because wo do backup our system.
> And from time to time I allow myself to grep my mail directory for some
> phonenumber or other information.
There you go then. The reason that the mailboxes appear to have not been
updated since you last read them is because they've not been updated since
you last "read" them. I do backups here too and I don't have a problem,
that's because I ensure that my backup solution preserves timestamps.
> > That quote is informing you that if you allow other tools to modify the
> > timestamps. It doesn't say that mutt's detection of mailboxes with new mail
> > is unreliable.
>
> Yes it does. Or what else does this note say?
The quote is informing you that external processes might change the
timestamp behaviour.
> So please stop defending mutt's weakness in this area and lets try to
> think of a way to improve mutt. I love mutt and I want it to suck even
> less! :-)
Please don't suggest that I'm defending a weakness, I'm not. I am pointing
out that it does what it says in the documentation. It points out it's own
weakness and that other than the documented issues it's reliable.
> or is there a _reasonable_ opposition against saving status information
> that i don't see?
Saving such information won't help you work out how many new mails there
are, or if there is new mail at all. It would let you know if the mailbox
had been modified in some way, which is pretty much what mutt does right
now.
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