On Wed, May 6, 2015 at 2:54 PM, Alexpux <[email protected]> wrote:
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> 6 мая 2015 г., в 15:49, Alexander Shukaev <[email protected]> написал(а):
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> On Wed, May 6, 2015 at 2:31 PM, David Macek <[email protected]>
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>> On Thu, Apr 30, 2015 at 5:14 PM, Alexander Shukaev wrote:
>> > I've talked to Emacs devs, and it's still questionable whether they
>> will backport that. It seems like releases of Emacs 24.x are going to be
>> suspended.
>> >
>> > Another question though, is it possible to make an option to install
>> "libgnutls-28.dll".
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>> You are of course free to downgrade/freeze your packages as you see fit,
>> but remember that it's not a supported scenario.
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>> > Emacs devs, for examples, also told me that the new GnuTLS has some
>> security issues, and is generally not meant for broad public yet. It's
>> good that MSYS2 is constistently catching up with bleeding edge features,
>> but it's also not good to blindly switch to new libraries/tools without
>> having an option to switch back. What do you think?
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> We're following the model of Arch Linux, and the phrase "to blindly switch
>> to new libraries" describes the model pretty well :). However, Arch Linux
>> _is_ doing some testing before releasing new versions and they're also on
>> v3.4.x, so maybe the issues are not so bad.
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>> Other than that, I can't say much about the GnuTLS upgrade or its
>> implications, that's Alexey's field.
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> The point is not to change the default fact of upgrading to the newest
> packages. The point is to add an option to install previous versions of
> GnuTLS, while still having the latest one. I don't propose to do that for
> all packages. Here is an exceptional case, where a library remains
> compatible between very rare releases of new interface (26, 28, 30), so why
> not allow an option to install all of them? For instance, `emacs-git'
> (which will become Emacs 25 soon) already has a feature to switch between
> those 3 versions of GnuTLS interface (only at compile time however). So
> how about `gnutls-26', `gnutls-28', `gnutls-30' packages with `gnutls'
> pointing at `gnutls-30'?
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> On 6. 5. 2015 12:28, Alexander Shukaev wrote:
>> > I'm not a huge fan of bumping, but this is just to let you know that
>> I'm still interested in your vision on this question.
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>> My vision is that GnuTLS is left as is, and Emacs can be fixed as I
>> described before:
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>> On 30. 4. 2015 17:01, David Macek wrote:
>> > 2) The fix can be cherry picked into a patch file and the
>> mingw-w64-emacs package can be modified to apply the patch. If you make a
>> correct pull request for this, I believe it will be accepted and the new,
>> GnuTLS-enabled packages shall become available in the repositories soon.
>> When a proper release comes out, the patch can be removed.
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>> Although it's a very small change(*) and I could do it, I was hoping you
>> would, because you're definitely more able to test the resulting build.
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>> *) Essentially this: export GnuTLS patch file from Emacs git history, put
>> it into mingw-w64-emacs directory, add to sources=, add line to prepare(),
>> increase pkgrel, update checksums, build, test, commit, push, send pull
>> request.
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> There is no point of doing that anymore as 24.x series are suspended.
> As for the question, I refereed only to having an option of installing
> different GnuTLS interfaces.
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> I don’t want to maintain/build multiple versions of one package because I
> spent too much time on it. You can create local packages, for example,
> gnutls28 and build it yourself (also don’t forget to resolve issues with
> files conflict between different gunnels versions).
> Not only EMACS depends on Gnutls package, so you need be able to install
> multiple gnutls packages at the same time.
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> Regards,
> Alexey.
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> Regards,
> Alexander
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Yes, Alexey, I understand that. What if I will contribute that? Will
this be accepted?
Regards,
Alexander
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