Ben Bucksch wrote:
> (followup-to .mail-news)
> (sorry for double-posting - I forgot to change the subject)
>
> Josh Soref wrote:
>
> > Gregor Rosenauer wrote:
> >
> >> Only thing is that Mozilla assumes you want to use the **same**
> >> outgoing-server for all accounts, whereas most mailservers don't like to
> >> send mail from an unknown address (for safety and spam-protection, most
> >> mailers reject this with a message "Relaying denied").
> >
> [timeless explains, how to manually add an smtp server]
>
> >> I haven't yet found out how to manually add another outgoing server, but
> >> Mozilla's assumption is violating the specs IMO... I should file a
> >> bugreport on this.
> >
> > please don't
>
> I agree with Gregor.
>
> Here in Gerrnany (and UK, too, I heard) is currently a **very** hard
> competition between ISPs. It is not uncommon to switch ISPs every 3
> months, or to use 2 ISPs, depending on the time of day (one during the
> business hours, another one in the evening), even for average users.
>
> Most ISP servers correctly <http://www.orbs.org/whatisthis.html>
> disallow "relaying" - accepting and delivering a mail, if neither
> recipient (specified by email address) nor sender (usually recognized by
> IP address) are related to the organization of mainting the SMTP server.
>
> I.e. I am Joe User, use 2 differnt ISPs. I set up one Mailnews account
> for each ISP, following the Account Wizard. I expect it to work. It
> doesn't. I cannot send mail while dialed into ISP B - I get the error
> 'Server rejected mail'. I complain at my ISP B - after all, if works
> correctly with ISP A. ISP B gets annoyed about Mozilla (because of many
> tech support calls due to this problem).
>
> What happened? Mozilla assumed "Hey, we have an SMTP server already -
> one is enough - we can send all mail via this one.". Wrong. The SMTP
> server at ISP A doesn't accept mails sent by users dialed into ISP B,
> unless they are directed to users at ISP A.
>
> Yes, Mozilla's assumption makes sense in some cases, e.g.
>
> * when I completely switched from ISP A to ISP B and only want to
> check mail at my former ISP. (But note that, often, that former
> mail account is usually disabled/deleted then.) But even then, the
> I would have to manually switch the default server.
> * Or I have a third-party mail-only provider, which offers my POP
> access.
> * Or I have several accounts at the same ISPs (but in this case, the
> incoming server etc. questions are redundant, too.)
> But I'd guess that the majority of cases are the parallel usage of 2 ISPs.
>
> I strongly suggest one or both of the following fixes:
>
> 1. In the Account Wizard, instead of replacing the SMTP server setup
> with just verbiage, add two checkboxes: "Just the default SMTP server"
> and "Make this the new default SMTP server". The latter would be placed
> under the textfield for the new SMTP server, the former checkbox would
> disable the latter checkbox and the textfield.
>
> 2. Add logic to switch/select the default SMTP server for one session.
>
> IMO, this is important to be fixed for at least Mozilla 1.0, better even
> Mozilla 0.9. I wonder why no bunch of angry ISP admins ran over us yet.
The ability to have multiple SMTP servers, and be able to switch them, would be
great. It was because of technical issues and time/resource constraints that
this didn't happen originally.
Ideally it would be great if each account could have its own associated SMTP
server and the client could be smart enough to figure out how the user is
currently connected and do the right thing (I don't know if that is possible).
