(followup-to .mail-news)
(sorry for double-posting - I forgot to change the subject)
Josh Soref wrote:
> Gregor Rosenauer wrote:
>
>> Only thing is that Mozilla assumes you want to use the **same**
>> outgoing-server for all accounts, whereas most mailservers don't like to
>> send mail from an unknown address (for safety and spam-protection, most
>> mailers reject this with a message "Relaying denied").
>
[timeless explains, how to manually add an smtp server]
>> I haven't yet found out how to manually add another outgoing server, but
>> Mozilla's assumption is violating the specs IMO... I should file a
>> bugreport on this.
>
> please don't
I agree with Gregor.
Here in Gerrnany (and UK, too, I heard) is currently a **very** hard
competition between ISPs. It is not uncommon to switch ISPs every 3
months, or to use 2 ISPs, depending on the time of day (one during the
business hours, another one in the evening), even for average users.
Most ISP servers correctly <http://www.orbs.org/whatisthis.html>
disallow "relaying" - accepting and delivering a mail, if neither
recipient (specified by email address) nor sender (usually recognized by
IP address) are related to the organization of mainting the SMTP server.
I.e. I am Joe User, use 2 differnt ISPs. I set up one Mailnews account
for each ISP, following the Account Wizard. I expect it to work. It
doesn't. I cannot send mail while dialed into ISP B - I get the error
'Server rejected mail'. I complain at my ISP B - after all, if works
correctly with ISP A. ISP B gets annoyed about Mozilla (because of many
tech support calls due to this problem).
What happened? Mozilla assumed "Hey, we have an SMTP server already -
one is enough - we can send all mail via this one.". Wrong. The SMTP
server at ISP A doesn't accept mails sent by users dialed into ISP B,
unless they are directed to users at ISP A.
Yes, Mozilla's assumption makes sense in some cases, e.g.
* when I completely switched from ISP A to ISP B and only want to
check mail at my former ISP. (But note that, often, that former
mail account is usually disabled/deleted then.) But even then, the
I would have to manually switch the default server.
* Or I have a third-party mail-only provider, which offers my POP
access.
* Or I have several accounts at the same ISPs (but in this case, the
incoming server etc. questions are redundant, too.)
But I'd guess that the majority of cases are the parallel usage of 2 ISPs.
I strongly suggest one or both of the following fixes:
1. In the Account Wizard, instead of replacing the SMTP server setup
with just verbiage, add two checkboxes: "Just the default SMTP server"
and "Make this the new default SMTP server". The latter would be placed
under the textfield for the new SMTP server, the former checkbox would
disable the latter checkbox and the textfield.
2. Add logic to switch/select the default SMTP server for one session.
IMO, this is important to be fixed for at least Mozilla 1.0, better even
Mozilla 0.9. I wonder why no bunch of angry ISP admins ran over us yet.
