On Mon, 4 Oct 2004, Martin Samuelsson wrote:

> On Monday 04 October 2004 17:11, Richard Ellis wrote:
> > would then work with the file.  However, they are not totally happy
> > with the "fix", they seem to read the whole entire file from disk
> > first before doing anything at all with it.  But at least it worked.
> 
> I'm guessing this is due to the missing index chunk that's supposed to be 
> present at the end of the file. mplayer should be able to fix this, but I 
> haven't tried yet.

        It has been several years since I recorded to  the .avi format but
        I do remember the very long startup times (with the disc seeking
        a lot) as the file was read from start to finish.  

        The other problem that is encountered with the AVI format is the 2GB
        limit.  Yes, there is the ODML extension but mjpegtools hasn't 
        implemented it.

> I think it's a pity lavtools doesn't support any easily streamable format. 
> That would make building timeshifters easier.

        I'm confused (or missing something ;)).  How does 'streaming' make 
        'timeshifting' easier?   Streaming is (to me) a distribution mechanism
        for viewing encoded (mpeg-2 or mpeg-4) content.  It takes a pretty
        fast network connection to stream the other formats (uncompressed
        standard definition "video" is 124Mb/s as I recall).

        For timeshifting what's needed is a good sequential I/O file format.
        Something like 'raw DV' or perhaps IYUV (or the YUV4MPEG2 variant) -  
        both use fixed record sizes so there's no indexing involved (and since 
        you know the frame rate and size you can seek by time using simple 
        arithmetic ;)).  No filesize limits with those formats.

        If you're capturing to do encoding later then 'streamability' isn't
        needed but good sequential I/O is important.   Quicktime should be fine
        for that.  AVI format is not all that good since it has the 2GB limit
        and the indexing issue.
        
        I'm not sure which versions were used - but the perhaps the recent 
        libquicktime might have fixed the problems that were encountered in
        the past.

        Cheers,
        Steven Schultz



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