> From: Matto Marjanovic <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> 
> How about trying it without yuvdenoise in the pipeline?

> yuvdenoise does quite a bit of low-pass filtering of its own, which means
>  that later stages are less prone to aliasing ('cause it leaves less HF

        Ok - here you are - and this almost certainly will be of interest
        to those making SVCDs from DV (Digital8) data.

>  >Does the smaller output size actually mean y4mscaler is "better"?
> 
> Good question --- what's it look like, Steve?  :)

        Looks good!

        The results below are addressing two questions at once (B vs P frame
        size and yuvscaler/y4mscaler comparison).

        ~45 seconds of DV data (Digital8) encoded to SVCD and DVD.   

        Using "yuvscaler -M BICUBIC -O SVCD":
   INFO: [mplex] No. Pictures    :     1348
   INFO: [mplex] No. Groups      :       90
   INFO: [mplex] No. I Frames    :       90 avg. size 21052 bytes
   INFO: [mplex] No. P Frames    :      361 avg. size  7551 bytes
   INFO: [mplex] No. B Frames    :      898 avg. size  6420 bytes
   INFO: [mplex] Average bit-rate :  1846000 bits/sec
   INFO: [mplex] Peak bit-rate    :  2360400  bits/sec

        Using "y4mscaler -S option=cubic -O preset=svcd":
   INFO: [mplex] No. Pictures    :     1348
   INFO: [mplex] No. Groups      :       90
   INFO: [mplex] No. I Frames    :       90 avg. size 21295 bytes
   INFO: [mplex] No. P Frames    :      361 avg. size  7150 bytes
   INFO: [mplex] No. B Frames    :      898 avg. size  6084 bytes
   INFO: [mplex] Average bit-rate :  1770400 bits/sec
   INFO: [mplex] Peak bit-rate    :  2330800  bits/sec
        
        Looks like ~15% difference between B and P sizes at SVCD resolution.

        It also appears that there's a ~4% bitrate reduction when using
        y4mscaler to get SVCD sized frames.

        And lastly no scaling - going direct to DVD:
   INFO: [mplex] No. Pictures    :     1348
   INFO: [mplex] No. Groups      :       90
   INFO: [mplex] No. I Frames    :       90 avg. size 29793 bytes
   INFO: [mplex] No. P Frames    :      361 avg. size 11778 bytes
   INFO: [mplex] No. B Frames    :      898 avg. size 10023 bytes
   INFO: [mplex] Average bit-rate :  2832000 bits/sec
   INFO: [mplex] Peak bit-rate    :  4241200  bits/sec

        at the DVD frame size the difference is ~10% between B and P frame
        sizes.   

        I did use the "-N" to mpeg2enc but yuvdenoise was _not_ used in any
        of the above tests.

        Cheers,
        Steven Schultz
        [EMAIL PROTECTED]


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