On 12/12/2007, Richard Stallman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > If OpenBSD eliminates the non-free programs from the ports system > that it recommends to users, then I will consider it good.
Richard, I'm trying very hard here to assume that you're acting in good faith, and frankly, your words make it A LOT simpler to assume that you are acting in bad faith, which is what Theo and many others have long since resigned themselves to assuming (hence the reactions you're getting). You said "Real men don't attack straw men". Yet this is *EXACTLY* what you are now doing. You continue to repeatedly write that OpenBSD recommends the ports system to its users, *which it does not*. Let me say that once again: OpenBSD recommends that EVERYBODY USE PACKAGES, NOT THE PORTS TREE. When you started this discussion, I assumed that you were simply ill informed about the OpenBSD packages and ports systems and the difference between them and how they intersect. Misunderstandings or having a misconception are no shame, But you now have already been told that OpenBSD recommends packages and that it does not recommend the ports tree. Yet you continue to criticise OpenBSD based on your (incorrect) view that it recommends the ports tree. That is a straw man argument. OpenBSD does not recommend the ports tree. It says right in the FAQ in *bold* letters: "Everyone is encouraged to use the pre-compiled binary packages." ( http://www.openbsd.org/faq/faq15.html#Ports ) You should know this. I alone have told you so again http://marc.info/?l=openbsd-misc&m=119741909911558&w=2 and again http://marc.info/?l=openbsd-misc&m=119743259725428&w=2 and again http://marc.info/?l=openbsd-misc&m=119745441717134&w=2 and again http://marc.info/?l=openbsd-misc&m=119746948206930&w=2 and others have concurred http://marc.info/?l=openbsd-misc&m=119746051925719&w=2 Richard, I if you are in fact merely ill-informed and not acting in bad faith, then I would like to offer you to have a one on one email conversation, where I will be happy to explain to you exactly the nature of the OpenBSD ports and packages systems. But let's do that off-list, because people here already know this, and having that discussion on-list would just further worsen the signal to noise ratio. But I would also like you to answer my emails, especially this one: http://marc.info/?l=openbsd-misc&m=119741909911558&w=2 A long time ago, possibly after your post-FOSDEM '05 clash with Theo, I had a private email discussion with Theo where he held that you were acting in bad faith. Without knowing you personally, I said that I didn't think you necessarily did and there could be other reasons for perceived sleights, such as unfamiliarity with the subject matter at hand. Your repeated inaccurate statements and apparent straw man arguments weaken my side and lend more credence to the assumption that you are purposefully acting in bad faith, which an increasing number of misc readers now subscribe to. Again, please answer my emails, and please send me a private email, so we can both better familiarise ourselves with each other's reasoning without further irritating the readers of the very busy misc list. Thanks and regards, --ropers (Jens Ropers) [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED]
