I'd argue Signal is actually far worse since they force you to use a recent version of their client effectively allowing them to push non-free code to read your message. IIRC Facebook started doing this with Whattsapp long ago.
E2EE in Smartphone apps is really an almost total waste of effort because of how they work. If the company owning the infrastructure owns both ends you might as well just encrypt the connection. --Stephen On Sun, Mar 08, 2026 at 02:38:31PM +0000, Polarian wrote: > Hey, > > > Just to make it clear to anyone reading the archives in the future, > > the suggestion to disable ntpd was a joke and a form of irony. > > I was genuinely confused, thanks for pointing out this was a joke. > > Unfortunately this is a common comment made in privacy circles of > "don't use that NTP server they track you", when in reality NTP is > unencrypted anyways. So yeah I couldn't quite tell if this was a joke > or not. > > > In any case, to answer the question to this thread, use XMPP + OMEMO, > its been around for decades, it will be around for decades more, there > is an argument that the crypto is not as secure as the likes of signal, > but IMO decentralisation and longevity comes first, and XMPP is > federated, and its been around for decades. > > There is a website which lists clients [1] and also a newer website for > listing the providers (servers you can sign up to) [2], I would > recommend picking an A or B rated provider. > > You can also self host, but I would recommend trying this AFTER you use > the protocol for a while as theres a lot of nuances which can be > annoying to iron out to get it working fully. > > Hope this helps. > > Take care, > -- > Polarian > Jabber/XMPP: [email protected] > > [1] https://xmpp.org/software/?category=clients > [2] https://providers.xmpp.net/ >
