Polarian írta 2024. dec.. 3, K-n 21:37 órakor:

> As for self hosting (like I do), it is rather painful. Setup is
> annoying enough, but the worst part is being filtered into spam by
> every major email provider despite having spf, dkim, dmarc and rDNS with
> good IP reputation, simply because you are a small mail server and not
> one of the whitelisted big mail servers, its a headache.

>From my pov self-hosting is hard without network-administrator 
background. I did a CCNA ages ago but the knowledge is already
rusted. So even basic network setup for my home-lab is already a
non-trivial job for me. Then while I can set up the services and jails
on my NAS, I am unsure how to properly secure / firewall my system.
It is a lot of reading, many iterations, and still I frequently close myself 
out of my system and at the end of the day maybe my firewall can be 
trivially bypassed. The steep learning curve is my main pain-point
regarding self-hosting. 

Understandable I don't even think about hosting my own mail.

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Polarian írta 2024. dec.. 3, K-n 21:37 órakor:
> Hello,
>
> Although this is offtopic I will respond to it quickly.
>
> I wouldn't say protonmail is a good idea, in my opinion everything they
> stand for is a lie. Firstly, email is not secure, some email servers
> still do not use TLS, so a "privacy focused" mail server isn't always
> beneficial. Secondly, if you don't use GPG proton can still read your
> emails, you have their promise they won't (Google promises it doesn't
> abuse your data either), and their GPG encryption requires you to give
> their client your GPG private key, not secure or private in the
> slightest (IMO). So you go to use your own client, and GPG encryp... oh
> they block IMAP/SMTP unless you pay for it.
>
> IMO, pick any mail provider which gives you a free email, has good spam
> rating, and gives your IMAP/SMTP access, and then use GPG to encrypt
> emails. If you want to be truly paranoid you can use something
> like https://posteo.de/en (note: I have never used them, just heard 
> good things from others about them, they are also paid).
>
> As for self hosting (like I do), it is rather painful. Setup is
> annoying enough, but the worst part is being filtered into spam by
> every major email provider despite having spf, dkim, dmarc and rDNS with
> good IP reputation, simply because you are a small mail server and not
> one of the whitelisted big mail servers, its a headache.
>
> Hope this helps.
>
> Take care,
> -- 
> Polarian
> GPG signature: 0770E5312238C760
> Jabber/XMPP: polar...@icebound.dev

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