Ha Ha. I got Theo to call me a whiny prick! I'm getting the t-shirt. >You play absolutely no part in the decisions that got OpenBSD to where it is. At least somebody is listening, even if they are ignoring everything.
What point is there to having an automated machine, when you have to do everything manually. I somewhat get why GUIs are maybe insecure, sloppy, not as robust and maybe a little tacky. Using them is not really my point anymore. But to not offer an obvious way to access built-in features that make too much sense to ignore (at least to me) and would make for a good computing experience, seems odd. I mean you have a way to choose a system mirror for the install/upgrade, why not to choose a pkg_add mirror after you install. I guess I see the attraction toward not having folks able to use your system and complaining about not having synaptic package manager; starting upgrades and never running sysmerge and being inundated with bug reports about how the system crashes from not running pkg_add -u after upgrading. In my worthless opinion though, I guess having folks getting an initial foothold and not having to read the man-pages and openbsd.org pages on a second computer, rather than say even lynx in the freshly installed system before figuring it out is asking too much. I have a CS degree and from what I recall, I started out with an old gateway 98 and bought a kvm switch so that I could be on windows and read openbsd.org while I figured out OpenBSD, (before a free GUI virtual system like virtualbox). Not everybody has the spare machinery for that luxury. The puffer fish for a mascot seems apt for more than just security, but difficult learning curve. -Luke On Tue, Dec 22, 2015 at 4:07 PM, Mike Larkin <mlar...@azathoth.net> wrote: > On Tue, Dec 22, 2015 at 09:57:46PM +0000, Tati Chevron wrote: > > On Tue, Dec 22, 2015 at 02:00:26PM -0700, Theo de Raadt wrote: > > >>But I still maintain that putting an option in the installer to create > > >>softraid crypto volumes automatically just dumbs down OpenBSD > > >>unnecessarily, and encourages people to be lazy instead of learning how > > >>to use the system to it's full potential. > > > > > >It's great that you have an opinion. > > > > > >Unfortunately it is the wrong opinion. > > > > That's just your opinion. > > > > The OpenBSD defaults are VERY wrong for my needs. But I've fixed that > for > > myself. I don't come whining on -misc asking for my hand to be held > every > > time something breaks. > > > > -- > > Tati Chevron > > Perl and FORTRAN specialist. > > SWABSIT development and migration department. > > http://www.swabsit.com > > > > And yet you whine when people offer suggestions to make improvements (eg, > the recent multitouch discussion).
