I was drawing from situations where we implemented hardware from a
less well known vendor that has a completely different configuration
style than what most people are used to. We end up having more outages
caused by human error to the point where the equipment gets a bad
reputation.

Unfortunately I have never been able to convince management to use
OpenBSD for anything outside the lab except for a VPN server for
internal/vendor use so I can't provide any real examples involving
OpenBSD.

But I think with all the virtualization these days and the virtual
network appliances for vmware and such devices like Raspberry Pi  the
software router is going to become a more popular choice in a lot of
situations. Like me personally I have an ESXi server I lease, I'm not
going buy/lease a hardware router/firewall to sit in front of a single
machine with a handful of VMs on it, I use an OpenBSD VM as a router
to the other VMs and it works wonderfully. My provider had a hard time
understanding why I wanted another /29 routed to one of my IP
addresses the sales guy kept saying "it won't work that way you need a
router and all you have is one server" but eventually they made it
happen.

On Fri, Feb 15, 2013 at 6:48 PM, Theo de Raadt <dera...@cvs.openbsd.org> wrote:
>> I would like to offer a suggestion though from my experience,
>> simplifying the configuration of a device greatly increases its
>> security, operationally. So if users (network IT staff) are presented
>> with something vaguely familiar to what they would encounter in the
>> other equipment like cisco or juniper they would be far less likely to
>> make a mistake that would result in an outage or security problem. So
>> as superficial as this might seem to you in practice I think it would
>> have a large impact
>
> This is a grand dilusion.
>
> Show me how you do the power and control that pf gives on a Cisco or
> Juniper.
>
> Your metaphor is like shoes vs 737.
>
> You have to prove that first; otherwise, your entire paragraph is based
> on false premises.

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