The English language is dead. Long live Logban[1]
[1] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Logban On Tue, Sep 20, 2011 at 12:37 AM, Tomas Bodzar <tomas.bod...@gmail.com> wrote: > On Mon, Sep 19, 2011 at 4:00 PM, Daniel Villarreal > <yclwebmas...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >> >> On Mon, Sep 19, 2011 at 1:54 AM, Tomas Bodzar <tomas.bod...@gmail.com> >> wrote: >>> >>> ... >>> > I wonder if the Lemote would consider extending the company's offer of a >>> > system to those willing to contribute to the Lemote application platform >>> > to >>> > OpenBSD >developers.... http://dev.lemote.com... >>> >>> A lot of projects happy with GNU/Linux because of some reasons which >>> mostly don't apply at all. >> >> Yes. Maybe they use it because they're comfortable with it. Maybe they use >> it because it's perceived as being multi-lingual, or even that it's just not >> hostile to their language, or whatever. > > Or maybe because they think that it's free. It doesn't matter in fact. > >> >> >>> Given that Lemote wishes to mass-produce computers for the rural people of >>> China, they would also need lots of servers. Any chance of producing a >>> multi-lingual installer >? >> >>> OpenBSD is not targeted to typical users (but it can be prepared for use >>> for those users). De facto standard language in system administration is >>> English so why to have installer in different language? Especially one which >>> is mostly about hitting enter only. In running system after install you can >>> have any of the most used languages either for keyaboard only in console or >>> complete apps in X. >> >> Good point. I don't know if English-speaking "typical" users are equivalent >> to Chinese "typical" users. Do a study on foreigners earning advanced >> science and mathematics degrees in the U.S. > > I suppose that their classes related to IT are in English ;-) But I'm > not from US so maybe I'm wrong. > >> >> What I'm getting at when I discuss language in this list isn't to aggravate >> people who think the world must conform to their strict interpretation of >> English. They're a lost cause, anyway... >> >> http://www.oed.com/public/oed3 >> "Every three months the entire OED database is republished online, with new >> words added for the first time and older entries revised according the >> exacting standards of modern historical lexicography." > > Sure a lot of changed when I was visiting school, a lot of new rules > and other stuff which I don't know about, but it's not stopping me in > conversation. And I don't care if someone is doing bugs in English or > my language or any other as long as we can understand each other. I > can understand that people which don't have English as mother language > can have issues with that. Probably same as I will have issues with > Chinese or whatever. > >> >> Ultimately Theo decides what is used in OpenBSD and I get that. I get your >> point about the install being easy, and I agree, but this goes way beyond >> that. This is about the big picture. I'm not asking Theo and the developers >> to *switch* to Chinese, or Afrikaans, or anything of the sort. I'm merely >> trying to get people to think and consider about the implications of people >> wanting to use the best software possible for servers and give them an >> opportunity to work with the OpenBSD foundation. Isn't it important to give >> people a reason to want to work with you? Including people is very >> important. If the Chinese were willing to go through so much trouble to >> arrive at an excellent low-power consumption computing platform, why >> *wouldn't* they want the very best operating system, especially for >> servers? > > Ah time for funny links ;-) > > http://marc.info/?l=openbsd-misc&m=125295040219808&w=2 > (quite long, but worth of it) > > http://marc.info/?l=openbsd-misc&m=125320519308891&w=2 > (EXCELLENT) > > For short: > > Attempting to prove the worth of OpenBSD to folks who are not able to > figure things out for themselvs is much like trying to teach butterflies > Calculus. > > It doesn't work and wastes your time. > > --STeve Andre' > > Why this? Because in old times when most of the people thought that > Earth is plain if you tried to give people opportunity to think that > Earth is not plain (OpenBSD is better or whatever) you ended in flames > ;-) Most of the people is lazy, so much lazy that even GUI is too much > complicated for them and without small blue E on the desktop they are > not able to use Internet. On the other side there are people which are > 90 or so and are able to use any Unix which you will show them just > because they are not lazy. That's why there's so low number of people > which are genius like Theo which are able to bring fresh ideas and > solutions to things which every other person do as others just because > others do that so it must be right. > >> >> I've always wondered if the Chinese thought that learning English was >> trivially easy. As much as I would like to ask a Chinese that, I realize >> that it's not a polite thing to ask. That's not the point. What makes you >> think they need English speakers to translate? Maybe the OpenBSD Foundation >> has everything to gain by being more receptive to more foreign languages. > > What? Polite? What's bad on asking some Chinese how hard is English > for them? Did people lost freedom to ask something? I can ask someone > if you want. > > Who said that Chinese need English speakers to translate? OpenBSD > foundation is based in Canada. What's official language in Canada? ;-) > Anyway it's bussines related organization and even in business Chinese > use English, even people from India, Japan, Scandinavia or whatever. > > >> >> Is it possible that the OpenBSD Foundation might appeal to more people the >> world over just by indicating a willingness to cooperate? I wonder if Theo >> has travelled to China and I wonder if he speaks other languages. > > Not sure if China has enough mountains, but if there was not some BSD > conference then it's his private stuff for sure if he was in China or > not. BTW eg. www.openbsd.org was for some time in Chinese, but it's > community project so it needs people which want to do translations in > their free time and probably she/he doesn't have enough of that so > Chinese version is not available right now. Curious why so rich man > doesn't have foundation page in Chinese ;-) > http://www.gatesfoundation.org/Pages/home.aspx > >> >> >>> >>> For sure you're free to provide patches for multilingual installer as >>> long as it will be able to fit one floppy only (want to see that >>> because of need for UTF ;-)). >>> >>> > >>> > Daniel Villarreal >>> > >>> > >>> >>> PS: I'm not from English speaking country and my mother language is not >>> English >> >> Even without touching the installer, you've already have several languages >> represented at openbsd.org, so why not add more to the web site, just that >> alone would be a big boost ? > > Do your homework before post ;-) > http://www.openbsd.org/cgi-bin/cvsweb/www/ > As you can see there is/was a lot of translations of OpenBSD, but it's > volunteer project focused on quality and it apply to translations as > well so if someone doesn't follow this rules because of any reason > then that translation is not used. > >> >> Sincerely, >> Daniel Villarreal
