On Mon, Sep 19, 2011 at 4:00 PM, Daniel Villarreal <yclwebmas...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > On Mon, Sep 19, 2011 at 1:54 AM, Tomas Bodzar <tomas.bod...@gmail.com> > wrote: >> >> ... >> > I wonder if the Lemote would consider extending the company's offer of a >> > system to those willing to contribute to the Lemote application platform to >> > OpenBSD >developers.... http://dev.lemote.com... >> >> A lot of projects happy with GNU/Linux because of some reasons which >> mostly don't apply at all. > > Yes. Maybe they use it because they're comfortable with it. Maybe they use > it because it's perceived as being multi-lingual, or even that it's just not > hostile to their language, or whatever.
Or maybe because they think that it's free. It doesn't matter in fact. > > >> Given that Lemote wishes to mass-produce computers for the rural people of >> China, they would also need lots of servers. Any chance of producing a >> multi-lingual installer >? > >> OpenBSD is not targeted to typical users (but it can be prepared for use >> for those users). De facto standard language in system administration is >> English so why to have installer in different language? Especially one which >> is mostly about hitting enter only. In running system after install you can >> have any of the most used languages either for keyaboard only in console or >> complete apps in X. > > Good point. I don't know if English-speaking "typical" users are equivalent > to Chinese "typical" users. Do a study on foreigners earning advanced > science and mathematics degrees in the U.S. I suppose that their classes related to IT are in English ;-) But I'm not from US so maybe I'm wrong. > > What I'm getting at when I discuss language in this list isn't to aggravate > people who think the world must conform to their strict interpretation of > English. They're a lost cause, anyway... > > http://www.oed.com/public/oed3 > "Every three months the entire OED database is republished online, with new > words added for the first time and older entries revised according the > exacting standards of modern historical lexicography." Sure a lot of changed when I was visiting school, a lot of new rules and other stuff which I don't know about, but it's not stopping me in conversation. And I don't care if someone is doing bugs in English or my language or any other as long as we can understand each other. I can understand that people which don't have English as mother language can have issues with that. Probably same as I will have issues with Chinese or whatever. > > Ultimately Theo decides what is used in OpenBSD and I get that. I get your > point about the install being easy, and I agree, but this goes way beyond > that. This is about the big picture. I'm not asking Theo and the developers > to *switch* to Chinese, or Afrikaans, or anything of the sort. I'm merely > trying to get people to think and consider about the implications of people > wanting to use the best software possible for servers and give them an > opportunity to work with the OpenBSD foundation. Isn't it important to give > people a reason to want to work with you? Including people is very > important. If the Chinese were willing to go through so much trouble to > arrive at an excellent low-power consumption computing platform, why > *wouldn't* they want the very best operating system, especially for > servers? Ah time for funny links ;-) http://marc.info/?l=openbsd-misc&m=125295040219808&w=2 (quite long, but worth of it) http://marc.info/?l=openbsd-misc&m=125320519308891&w=2 (EXCELLENT) For short: Attempting to prove the worth of OpenBSD to folks who are not able to figure things out for themselvs is much like trying to teach butterflies Calculus. It doesn't work and wastes your time. --STeve Andre' Why this? Because in old times when most of the people thought that Earth is plain if you tried to give people opportunity to think that Earth is not plain (OpenBSD is better or whatever) you ended in flames ;-) Most of the people is lazy, so much lazy that even GUI is too much complicated for them and without small blue E on the desktop they are not able to use Internet. On the other side there are people which are 90 or so and are able to use any Unix which you will show them just because they are not lazy. That's why there's so low number of people which are genius like Theo which are able to bring fresh ideas and solutions to things which every other person do as others just because others do that so it must be right. > > I've always wondered if the Chinese thought that learning English was > trivially easy. As much as I would like to ask a Chinese that, I realize > that it's not a polite thing to ask. That's not the point. What makes you > think they need English speakers to translate? Maybe the OpenBSD Foundation > has everything to gain by being more receptive to more foreign languages. What? Polite? What's bad on asking some Chinese how hard is English for them? Did people lost freedom to ask something? I can ask someone if you want. Who said that Chinese need English speakers to translate? OpenBSD foundation is based in Canada. What's official language in Canada? ;-) Anyway it's bussines related organization and even in business Chinese use English, even people from India, Japan, Scandinavia or whatever. > > Is it possible that the OpenBSD Foundation might appeal to more people the > world over just by indicating a willingness to cooperate? I wonder if Theo > has travelled to China and I wonder if he speaks other languages. Not sure if China has enough mountains, but if there was not some BSD conference then it's his private stuff for sure if he was in China or not. BTW eg. www.openbsd.org was for some time in Chinese, but it's community project so it needs people which want to do translations in their free time and probably she/he doesn't have enough of that so Chinese version is not available right now. Curious why so rich man doesn't have foundation page in Chinese ;-) http://www.gatesfoundation.org/Pages/home.aspx > > >> >> For sure you're free to provide patches for multilingual installer as >> long as it will be able to fit one floppy only (want to see that >> because of need for UTF ;-)). >> >> > >> > Daniel Villarreal >> > >> > >> >> PS: I'm not from English speaking country and my mother language is not >> English > > Even without touching the installer, you've already have several languages > represented at openbsd.org, so why not add more to the web site, just that > alone would be a big boost ? Do your homework before post ;-) http://www.openbsd.org/cgi-bin/cvsweb/www/ As you can see there is/was a lot of translations of OpenBSD, but it's volunteer project focused on quality and it apply to translations as well so if someone doesn't follow this rules because of any reason then that translation is not used. > > Sincerely, > Daniel Villarreal
