On Mon, Sep 12, 2011 at 4:12 AM, Jeffrey Walton <noloa...@gmail.com> wrote: > Hi Dmitrij, > > On Sun, Sep 11, 2011 at 5:46 PM, Dmitrij D. Czarkoff <czark...@gmail.com> wrote: >> On Sun, Sep 11, 2011 at 11:07:14AM -0400, Jeffrey Walton wrote: >>> OK, I deleted 4.9 and installed 4.8. I saved the console messages and >>> started and started the gdm, avahi, and dbus daemon as instructed. No >>> joy. >> >> Could You please be a bit more precise? > My apologies. I'll try and clear things up now (for grandma!). > > I fell back to 4.8 because Tom stated something to the effect that > Gnome was not yet [fully] ported (forgive my misquotes). This made > some sense to me since I did see a few messages related to outdated > binaries on 4.9 when running `startx` from a teminal. I presumed the > developers knew about it, and it was OK with them (otherwise, it would > have been fixed).
I did not say that ;-) I said that packages are not in current right now because of infrastructure reasons. Packages for 4.8 and 4.9 are in place without issues.And Gnome is well running and supported on OpenBSD eg. because of this http://undeadly.org/cgi?action=article&sid=20110420080633 And what is really of interest for you is this message http://marc.info/?l=openbsd-ports&m=131546789610229&w=2 > >> Which instructions did You follow - those unofficial instructions on some >> website about OpenBSD 4.7 or the official README that is cited in the >> install-message at installation time? > > I followed the instructions from > http://www.openbsd.org/cgi-bin/cvsweb/ports/x11/gnome/session/pkg/README?rev= 1.13;content-type=text%2Fplain. > Actually, I missed gnome-audio and gnome-power-manager was not found: > > B # pkg_add eog \ > B B B file-roller \ > B B B gdm \ > B B B gedit \ > B B B gnome-applets2 \ > B B B gnome-audio \ > B B B gnome-backgrounds \ > B B B gnome-control-center \ > B B B gnome-keyring \ > B B B gnome-media \ > B B B gnome-panel \ > B B B gnome-power-manager \ > B B B gnome-screensaver \ > B B B gnome-terminal \ > B B B gnome-themes \ > B B B gnome-utils > > After the list of 'primary' packages was installed, I then executed: > > B # pkg_add gnome-session \ > B B B gnome-desktop \ > B B B nautilus-open-terminal > > While installing the 'primary' packages (eog, ...,gnome-utils), I did > so in an XTERM so I was able to scroll through messages. Despite my > sincerest efforts to install the 'primary' packages, I still had to add > the following to rc.local per the terminal messages: > > B if [ -x /usr/local/bin/dbus-daemon ]; then > B install -d -o _dbus -g _dbus /var/run/dbus > B echo -n ' dbus'; /usr/local/bin/dbus-daemon --system > B fi > > B if [ -x /usr/local/sbin/gdm ]; then > B echo -n ' gdm'; (sleep 5; /usr/local/sbin/gdm)& > B fi > > B if [ -x /usr/local/sbin/avahi-daemon ]; then > B echo -n ' avahi-daemon'; /usr/local/sbin/avahi-daemon -D > B fi > > For what its worth, nautilus-open-terminal *should* be listed in the > 'primary' list. > >> What does the phrase "No joy" mean? > My bad. It is slang for 'not successful'. I appreciate the help, so I > don't want to use terms like 'failed' and 'broken'. > >> You've got some errors? You've got no >> error but no GNOME? You didn't like the default color theme? You were >> depressed and decided not to go ahead? > I think it was approaching the latter :) > >> I used to install GNOME on OpenBSD 4.9. It is 100% straight forward exactly as >> written in a README file that is referenced in the install message. > OK. This raises my suspicions (please don't take offense). I tried > following the instructions from the provided link on both 4.8 and 4.9. > I was not successful. > >> And I am >> planning to instruct my grandmother to install OpenBSD 5.0 with GNOME. > Perhaps you should be at your gandmom's house when the migration occurs. > >> You please share You experience in some more detail? > OK. For me, its all about 'dumb users' and 'reasonable expectations'. > I'm a dumb user, and I think my expectations are reasonable. > > I think the documentation is lacking and the process is too involved. > I personally found Christian's link of > http://www.gabsoftware.com/tips/tutorial-install-gnome-desktop-and-gnome-disp lay-manager-on-openbsd-4-8/ > much more helpful. At minimum, it had pictures which are always easy > to follow. > > I cannot explain why I got a 2 year old document as a top hit when > searching for 'OpenBSD install gnome' (perhaps SEO?). And I cannot > explain why the official OpenBSD document was not predominantly listed > in the Google'd results. Nor can I explain why neither the README nor > the INSTALL mention anything gnome or its installation document. Because search engines are full of ads and other crap thanks to times when everyone without knowledge can create blog with false (or only true in that time) information and people then follow it for years. > > In practice, after following the official OpenBSD instructions, GDM > would start (ie, a 'gnome login screen') but I would get XTERM when I > logged in. Christian's instructions seems to have taken me a little > further, but I had to add to rc.conf.local: > > B # cat /etc/rc.conf.local > B ... > B xdm_flags=NO > B gnome_enable=YES > B gdm_enable=YES# > > In addition, I still needed to select Session -> gnome.desktop despite > the fact that gnome.desktop was listed as the default. > > My feelings: since I wanted to install the gnome desktop manager, why > is there not a single package that includes gdm, gnome-desktop, and > gnome-session which *also* includes the modifications to rc.local and > rc.conf.local? I think its a very reasonable expectation when > installing the manager. > > Since I was installing gnome and gnome-session, why were the changes > not made to rc.local and rc.conf.local with a message telling the user > how to turn it off? I think its a very reasonable behavior when > installing the manager. Because it's OpenBSD. Not system which turns on automatically every knob available. It;s for you and your control over system. > > Remember - dumb users (like me) just want it to work. > > Jeff
