Mar 1 #685 <https://groups.io/g/marxmail/message/6858>8 Ken Hiebert And in response to Roger Kulp, whatever the original history of the Russian Revolution, it is fair to say that Stalinist repression fell heavily on workers and peasants. Is there anyone else on the planet who killed more Communists? Never mind the majority of the Bolshevik Central Committee of 1917. Even the majority of delegates to the 1934 congress of the CPSU fell afoul of Stalin in one way or another.
March 3 #6954 Roger Kulp We can start with Nazi Germany ,then move on to the Spanish Civil War, what was done in Argentina and Chile under Operation Condor, Indonesia under Suharto, the Jeju and Bodo League killings in Korea, with honorable mention to Caing Kai-Shek, and Thailand in the late 1960s and early 1970s. March 7 Ken Hiebert Roger’s comment has prompted me to do some research. For the most part I have been unable to come up with numbers. But in one case I have, the case of Indonesia 1965-66. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indonesian_mass_killings_of_1965%E2%80%9366 <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indonesian_mass_killings_of_1965%E2%80%9366> "The most widely published estimates were that 500,000 to more than one million people were killed,[3] <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indonesian_mass_killings_of_1965%E2%80%9366#cite_note-Robinson2018-3>:3[4] <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indonesian_mass_killings_of_1965%E2%80%9366#cite_note-auto1-4>[5] <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indonesian_mass_killings_of_1965%E2%80%9366#cite_note-Blumenthal80-5>[6] <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indonesian_mass_killings_of_1965%E2%80%9366#cite_note-indoholo-6> with some more recent estimates going as high as two to three million.” Given the number reported for Indonesia, it looks like I cannot defend my claim that Stalin killed more communists than anyone else. I have been unable to come up with a figure for the number of Communists killed by Stalin. The closest I came was the speech by Khrushchev in 1956. He accused Stalin of “mass terror” directed at members of the CPSA. He referred to “thousands" of party members killed by Stalin. * * * * * * * * * https://www.marxists.org/archive/khrushchev/1956/02/24.htm <https://www.marxists.org/archive/khrushchev/1956/02/24.htm> It was determined that of the 139 members and candidates of the Central Committee who were elected at the 17th Congress, 98 persons, i.e., 70 per cent, were arrested and shot (mostly in 1937-1938). (Indignation in the hall.) What was the composition of the delegates to the 17th Congress? It is known that 80 per cent of the voting participants of the 17th Congress joined the Party during the years of conspiracy before the Revolution and during the Civil War, i.e. meaning before 1921. By social origin the basic mass of the delegates to the Congress were workers (60 per cent of the voting members). For this reason, it is inconceivable that a Congress so composed could have elected a Central Committee in which a majority [of the members] would prove to be enemies of the Party. The only reasons why 70 per cent of the Central Committee members and candidates elected at the 17th Congress were branded as enemies of the Party and of the people were because honest Communists were slandered, accusations against them were fabricated, and revolutionary legality was gravely undermined. The same fate met not only Central Committee members but also the majority of the delegates to the 17th Party Congress. Of 1,966 delegates with either voting or advisory rights, 1,108 persons were arrested on charges of anti-revolutionary crimes, i.e., decidedly more than a majority. This very fact shows how absurd, wild and contrary to common sense were the charges of counterrevolutionary crimes made out, as we now see, against a majority of participants at the 17th Party Congress. * * * * * * * According to Wikipedia, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/17th_Congress_of_the_All-Union_Communist_Party_(Bolsheviks) <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/17th_Congress_of_the_All-Union_Communist_Party_(Bolsheviks)> at the time of the 1934 congress the CPSU had 1,872,488 members and 935,298 candidate members. We don’t know if the death toll among members was in the same proportion as that among Congress delegates and Central Committee members. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Groups.io Links: You receive all messages sent to this group. View/Reply Online (#7065): https://groups.io/g/marxmail/message/7065 Mute This Topic: https://groups.io/mt/81166694/21656 -=-=- POSTING RULES & NOTES #1 YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. #2 This mail-list, like most, is publicly & permanently archived. #3 Subscribe and post under an alias if #2 is a concern. -=-=- Group Owner: marxmail+ow...@groups.io Unsubscribe: https://groups.io/g/marxmail/leave/8674936/21656/1316126222/xyzzy [arch...@mail-archive.com] -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
