On Thu, Jun 04, 2020 at 06:06:25PM -0700, Luke wrote:
> > On Thu, Jun 04, 2020 at 07:48:45AM -0700, Luke via mailop wrote:
> > > I cant tell if this the thing about ESPs not removing bounces is a joke
> > or
> > > not. All of the major ESPs have logic for adding bad addresses to
> > > suppression lists.
> >
> > [Citation needed]
> >
> > Your assertion does not match my data.

[snip URLs]

OK, I walked into that one.

> To be honest, I'm not proud of myself for dignifying this nonsense with a
> response. I think you should be ashamed of yourself for *pretending* you
> don't know that ESPs suppress invalid email addresses.

I'm not pretending anything.  I'm extrapolating from data.  You're... I
don't even know.

> You need to take a deep breath, chill, and reevaluate your approach to
> defending the world from spam. This is not productive. In fact, it's almost
> like you're gaslighting ESPs and the people who work for them.

There's definitely some gaslighting going on here, but it's not what you
seem to think it is.  When I see a never-ending stream of 554 responses in
my logs to delivery attempts from Mailchimp IP addresses, to an e-mail
address that was only provided to one organisation (and that organisation
was not, I might add, Mailchimp), and then get told "Mailchimp suppresses
invalid email addresses"... that's gaslighting right there.  You are
denying the existence of the evidence sitting right in front of me.

> Pretty remarkable stuff actually.  I hope you come around.

Right back atcha, champ.

- Matt


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