lol, but sure someone will come up with it and does not intent to make a joke

Kind regards,

/ Tobias Herkula
Manager Detection Anti Spam
Cyren (Berlin)

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From: Michael Wise <michael.w...@microsoft.com>
Sent: Wednesday, September 26, 2018 10:11:10 PM
To: Tobias Herkula; Michael Peddemors; mailop@mailop.org
Subject: RE: [mailop] *Grumble* When is Amazon AWS going to properly    inject  
trace headers..



When will "we" start signing Received: headers?

Aloha,
Michael.
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-----Original Message-----
From: mailop <mailop-boun...@mailop.org> On Behalf Of Tobias Herkula
Sent: Wednesday, September 26, 2018 1:02 PM
To: Michael Peddemors <mich...@linuxmagic.com>; mailop@mailop.org
Subject: Re: [mailop] *Grumble* When is Amazon AWS going to properly inject 
trace headers..



* Best practice, don't relay information about internal network structure to 
the public, so no internal trace header

* you can only "trust" headers that are signed and pass validation

* totally legit to generate mails on the outbound server



Kind regards,



/ Tobias Herkula

Manager Detection Anti Spam

Cyren (Berlin)



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From: mailop <mailop-boun...@mailop.org<mailto:mailop-boun...@mailop.org>> on 
behalf of Michael Peddemors 
<mich...@linuxmagic.com<mailto:mich...@linuxmagic.com>>

Sent: Wednesday, September 26, 2018 9:42:56 PM

To: mailop@mailop.org<mailto:mailop@mailop.org>

Subject: [mailop] *Grumble* When is Amazon AWS going to properly inject trace 
headers..



Just a rant..



Really hard to differentiate the good/bad/ugly ..



I am pretty sure the message is not generated on the outbound relay..

I don't really care HOW the record it, but as long as they record it..





Traffic leaving AWS..

(a14-188.smtp-out.amazonses.com)



Not a single received/trace header to be seen..



DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/simple;

         s=lqlkfglxmkqqaie63ahwxqbtpuibzecv; d=instructure.com;

         t=1537990176;



h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Message-ID:Subject:Mime-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding;

         bh=XYPsipG8tQ8ES1Ao8uS1HsWBUYvG8wDJFWyNsnVKghA=;

         b=RDb5aDuHy6D68gQItHw6vPezbfSou69QkfE15pTdTf8zRlYUyQOWlaf/sc1CDcCq

         EWRyC95CrcF7UJhJk1EkAwo7DFKjHidQFmEof7C3OT9LjSlP8ZSGGjcndlF/c0TtxbE

         4ql1nPaaw9bRVVKu7FzcVv5wLjZPL5a/A1WD7n74=

DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/simple;

         s=ug7nbtf4gccmlpwj322ax3p6ow6yfsug; d=amazonses.com; t=1537990176;



h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Message-ID:Subject:Mime-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Feedback-ID;

         bh=XYPsipG8tQ8ES1Ao8uS1HsWBUYvG8wDJFWyNsnVKghA=;

         b=fPRUbKlHPLqj82LVsaAmjq1tpbGD2IPIUosKVyqTjLOXG+WaPp0gg1gymtlVDAEY

         5we+vhzW3s+zAyLsvTh1bJB3iuCBH9DYOPOyLaoxU8ZEiRceFGSOPgYJDcHiMQy+glf

         J5IkKw/ms/9hx2LFA5JR5dHqxsv+829hjwEPS5is=

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