Hi Otto, It is not my experience that many people will fill in other people's email address. I've seen 100's of millions of subscribers. Most did not have double opt-in. It mostly went very well. There are cases of form-spam (see e.g. Spamhaus a few years ago) and double opt-in prevents typo's. But there are other methods to deal with abuse (in all of its appearances).
So I'm not sure that your opinion towards double opt-in (where customers not using it should be seen as spamming) is in line with the numbers I saw. I understand the push from the anti-spam community (who have issues in discriminating criminals and commercial senders having equally bad/good data quality). But this technical solution is, imho, the wrong tool for that. As Microsoft, Yahoo and Google have found out, feedback from users via alternate systems is much better. But that is not yet integrated into RFCs for the rest of us to use. I'll leave the "confirmed opt-in" vs "double opt-in" discussion as it is. Yours, David On Tue, 28 Aug 2018 at 09:02, Otto J. Makela <o...@iki.fi> wrote: > On 2018-08-23 22:10, Jan Schapmans wrote: > > > * customer doesn’t want to do double optin, we are pushing to only > implement > > it for gmail & googlemail addresses. > > This should definitely raise red flags at your end: customer doesn't > care about how good the "leads" are, as long as there are many. > This is "Millions CD" level thinking. > > BTW, a much better term is "confirmed opt-in", because that's what it is. > Most companies that want to contact you by email can get it right (send > single > email with confirmation link as part of registration etc.), why should your > customer get a special pass not to do it? > > -- > /* * * Otto J. Makela <o...@iki.fi> * * * * * * * * * */ > /* Phone: +358 40 765 5772, ICBM: N 60 10' E 24 55' */ > /* Mail: Mechelininkatu 26 B 27, FI-00100 Helsinki */ > /* * * Computers Rule 01001111 01001011 * * * * * * */ > > _______________________________________________ > mailop mailing list > mailop@mailop.org > https://chilli.nosignal.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mailop > -- -- My opinion is mine.
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