Hi Bill, Benny’s explanation makes sense. It’s related to signing in PGP which I have enabled by default. Considering whether to disengage that, since most of my email in open and non-encrypted. I use the signing feature to let others know that I can use PGP encrypted messages if the responder so chooses.
This is a reason not to enable this feature and will consider doing so after confirming the conditions. But thanks for the info about v6241. I have had other issues with crashing reported to Benny about this version, so I’m still on 6238 at this time. Respectfully, Henry Seiden - - Techworks Pro Co. E: info<at>techworkspro<dot>com W: http://techworkspro.com On 2 Apr 2025, at 9:40, Bill Cole wrote: > On 2025-04-02 at 07:50:25 UTC-0400 (Wed, 2 Apr 2025 11:50:25 +0000) > Henry Seiden <mailmate@lists.freron.com> > is rumored to have said: > >> Hello All, >> >> So, what is it with message(s) composed in MM and saved to the Drafts >> Mailbox in any account? >> * Found that, as Benny alluded to (in previous conversations on v 6241), MM >> behaves differently than other apps (notably Mail.app in Sequoia and >> earlier) now: A message composed in MM on one machine does not appear on any >> other device. When did this become effective? I consider this a problem. You? > > I do not see this. I just used r6241 to create a new message and saved it to > Drafts. I can see it on my iPhone in both Apple Mail and Preside. > >> * Composed a message and saved it in Mail to the account’s Drafts Folder. It >> is likewise visible on any other device (tested with iPhone, iPad, other Mac >> devices running Sequoia and current iOS, however not so in MM. It is only >> visible in the device it was composed in! Has this always been the case? > > I just created a Draft and save it from Mail.app on Sonoma. It is visible in > Preside and Mail on the iPhone. It is visible in MM on Sonoma BUT MM does not > treat it as a draft when opening it, despite it seeing the \Draft tag, so MM > cannot directly edit it as a draft and send it. Even using "Edit as new > message" doesn't open an editable copy, as it loses the whole body. > > Apple creates drafts with a slew of custom (X-*) headers identifying it as an > Apple Mail draft, plus the Drafts keyword. Neither MM nor Preside treat these > as drafts. > > MM creates drafts with almost no identifying *content*, just a X-Mailer > header and the Drafts keyword. Apple Mail (but not Preside) treats these as > Drafts, e.g. it opens an editor when one is clicked. > >> * Experimented with two or three accounts between Mail and MM composing, >> saving a draft in each app. Lo! Always works the same (MM Drafts are locally >> resident and invisible elsewhere. > > Cannot reproduce. Are you using the "Save" command in MM? > >> Is this a “Feature” or a bug? I don’t like it, but is seems to be there as >> far back as I can quickly determine, v6238 onwards, seems unrelated to >> Benny’s recent Network Framework TLS 1.3 update. >> * In my opinion a email begun on one device should be registered in the >> Drafts mailbox and by the nature of the IMAP account be visible by other >> devices, particularly mobile devices, but really any devices using the same >> account(s). Portability issue? > > I do not see the problem you are reporting... > > It is arguable that drafts created in one MUA should be editable in others, > however there is a problem in that because different MUAs use different > tactics when constructing mail with an HTML alternative version. It isn't > assured that a complex message with formatted text an embedded images in a > draft state will be comprehensible to other MUAs. > > However, *visibility* in the Drafts folder is a clear issue: any pending > draft from any machine or MUA should be *visible* there IFF the MUA has saved > it. > > >> So, I’m looking for confirmation that this is indeed occurring for all users > > Nope. > >> and for your opinion (assuming you can replicate it) that you consider this >> either a bug or some undocumented feature. > > I would think this would be a bug if I could reproduce it. I suspect it is > due to you not telling MM to save your drafts. MM won't save drafts to the > server automatically, you need to do it explicitly. > >> A search of the manual and the Help files could find nothing about this >> behavior. If someone on an earlier version than 6238 (or Benny) can test it >> to confirm or help deduce at what point in the evolution cycle of MM this >> was the case or not, I’d appreciate it- pretty sure that is not the case >> originally =when I started using MM about three years ago. > > In over a decade using MM I have not seen what you describe. > > > -- > Bill Cole > b...@scconsult.com or billc...@apache.org > (AKA @grumpybozo@toad.social and many *@billmail.scconsult.com addresses) > Not Currently Available For Hire > _______________________________________________ > mailmate mailing list > Unsubscribe: https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
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