On 2025-04-02 at 07:50:25 UTC-0400 (Wed, 2 Apr 2025 11:50:25 +0000)
Henry Seiden <mailmate@lists.freron.com>
is rumored to have said:
Hello All,
So, what is it with message(s) composed in MM and saved to the Drafts
Mailbox in any account?
* Found that, as Benny alluded to (in previous conversations on v
6241), MM behaves differently than other apps (notably Mail.app in
Sequoia and earlier) now: A message composed in MM on one machine does
not appear on any other device. When did this become effective? I
consider this a problem. You?
I do not see this. I just used r6241 to create a new message and saved
it to Drafts. I can see it on my iPhone in both Apple Mail and Preside.
* Composed a message and saved it in Mail to the account’s Drafts
Folder. It is likewise visible on any other device (tested with
iPhone, iPad, other Mac devices running Sequoia and current iOS,
however not so in MM. It is only visible in the device it was composed
in! Has this always been the case?
I just created a Draft and save it from Mail.app on Sonoma. It is
visible in Preside and Mail on the iPhone. It is visible in MM on Sonoma
BUT MM does not treat it as a draft when opening it, despite it seeing
the \Draft tag, so MM cannot directly edit it as a draft and send it.
Even using "Edit as new message" doesn't open an editable copy, as it
loses the whole body.
Apple creates drafts with a slew of custom (X-*) headers identifying it
as an Apple Mail draft, plus the Drafts keyword. Neither MM nor Preside
treat these as drafts.
MM creates drafts with almost no identifying *content*, just a X-Mailer
header and the Drafts keyword. Apple Mail (but not Preside) treats these
as Drafts, e.g. it opens an editor when one is clicked.
* Experimented with two or three accounts between Mail and MM
composing, saving a draft in each app. Lo! Always works the same (MM
Drafts are locally resident and invisible elsewhere.
Cannot reproduce. Are you using the "Save" command in MM?
Is this a “Feature” or a bug? I don’t like it, but is seems to
be there as far back as I can quickly determine, v6238 onwards, seems
unrelated to Benny’s recent Network Framework TLS 1.3 update.
* In my opinion a email begun on one device should be registered in
the Drafts mailbox and by the nature of the IMAP account be visible by
other devices, particularly mobile devices, but really any devices
using the same account(s). Portability issue?
I do not see the problem you are reporting...
It is arguable that drafts created in one MUA should be editable in
others, however there is a problem in that because different MUAs use
different tactics when constructing mail with an HTML alternative
version. It isn't assured that a complex message with formatted text an
embedded images in a draft state will be comprehensible to other MUAs.
However, *visibility* in the Drafts folder is a clear issue: any pending
draft from any machine or MUA should be *visible* there IFF the MUA has
saved it.
So, I’m looking for confirmation that this is indeed occurring for
all users
Nope.
and for your opinion (assuming you can replicate it) that you
consider this either a bug or some undocumented feature.
I would think this would be a bug if I could reproduce it. I suspect it
is due to you not telling MM to save your drafts. MM won't save drafts
to the server automatically, you need to do it explicitly.
A search of the manual and the Help files could find nothing about
this behavior. If someone on an earlier version than 6238 (or Benny)
can test it to confirm or help deduce at what point in the evolution
cycle of MM this was the case or not, I’d appreciate it- pretty sure
that is not the case originally =when I started using MM about three
years ago.
In over a decade using MM I have not seen what you describe.
--
Bill Cole
b...@scconsult.com or billc...@apache.org
(AKA @grumpybozo@toad.social and many *@billmail.scconsult.com
addresses)
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