Yes, I remember using the quick-start tutorial about twenty minutes after taking my Mac Mini out of the box. Once I went through it, the registration form for my Mac was a breeze. As I recall, I then panicked because I couldn’t remember the keystroke to get into menus, and my husband had to look it up for me. LOL I think the tutorial doesn’t cover menus, which is VO-m or control-f2.
Teresa "Outside of a dog, a book is a man's best friend. Inside of a dog, it's too dark to read."--Groucho Marx On Jan 13, 2014, at 11:15 AM, Phil Halton <philh...@gmail.com> wrote: > If I may say, the Quickstart tutorial is for people who have never even > touched a Mac > Before. It's not a review for experts. > > Sent from my IPhone > > > On Jan 13, 2014, at 1:10 PM, Anne Robertson <a...@anarchie.org.uk> wrote: > >> Hello April, >> >> Looking back over your posts, I see that you said you had to relabel your >> bumblebee keyboard. What kind of keyboard is this? It could well be that all >> your confusion stems from not having an Apple keyboard. >> >> VoiceOver is not really a program as such, it’s a method of interacting with >> the Operating System, so turning it off is like turning the screen off. >> >> When using VoiceOver, you need to treat the Control and Option keys as >> though they were pedals on a piano. You hold them down before pressing other >> keys. >> >> If you have problems holding down so many keys at once, there is a setting >> in System Preferences where you can turn on Sticky Keys which allows you to >> press one key at a time. >> >> Cheers, >> >> Anne >> >> >> On 13 Jan 2014, at 18:06, April Brown <aprilbrownwr...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >>> Hi Donna, >>> >>> I'm going to do my best to politely disagree with you. The training >>> program is fine for a review for people who have used VoiceOver, and >>> perhaps other screen readers successfully.. >>> >>> However, for someone who never has been successful at using a >>> screen reader, it is totally unclear. The only clear step - is how to turn >>> it on and off. >>> >>> Most people trying to learn it would have far less computer knowledge than >>> either me or my husband, are not young, can't read the developer's mind, >>> and are still partially sighted, or only recently lost their vision. The >>> training program is not geared for those people - exactly the people trying >>> to use it. >>> >>> I have asked specifically to a link to a specific web site with step by >>> step directions. Although, others responded offering to help off list, the >>> first person reminded me that I am too stupid to live, and no one has the >>> time to write a step by step guide. >>> >>> I should say thank you to that person for reminding me what I heard many >>> times a day for the first twenty years of my life. >>> >>> I am too stupid to live if I can't read the developer's mind, and need a >>> actual training manual to learn something new. >>> >>> I have asked, at least three times what three specific terms meant, hoping >>> I could figure it out if I cold figure out those terms. One person defined >>> one of them today. And a search on the Internet does not reveal >>> definitions related to computers, or VoiceOver. >>> >>> I think I'm wasting my time trying to learn a program without a training >>> manual. >>> >>> How many thousands of people have given up before this point, because there >>> is no manual? >>> >>> How many people are sitting at home twiddling their thumbs because they are >>> not a mind reader? >>> >>> I need to be spending the last few weeks with my remaining vision writing >>> and learning Braille. >>> >>> This will be my last computer. I'm too old too keep up with the lingo. >>> >>> Since I am just a pest trying to ask questions to learn how to use this, I >>> won't ask anymore. >>> >>> On Monday, January 13, 2014 8:05:57 AM UTC-5, Donna wrote: >>> April, >>> >>> Just a few comments that I hope will be helpful. >>> >>> First, it seems like you've turned this thing into a dragon. It really >>> isn't it's just a piece of software. Treat it that way. You're not >>> climbing a mountain. Many of us, myself included found the Mac very >>> frustrating at the beginning. for me, that lasted about three months, and >>> then suddenly everything just clicked.. I don't think this is due to any >>> inherent problems on the Mac, but rather that it was a new system and new >>> screen-reader. I'm pretty sure I was equally frustrated with JAWS and >>> Windows, but that was so long ago now that I've forgotten how frustrated I >>> was. So take it easy, and take it in very small chunks. >>> >>> Second, don't rely too much on your husband. I'm not sure it's always >>> intuitive to sighted person how someone who is blind or low-vision uses a >>> computer, so his take/experience with Voiceover may not be the best >>> measuring stick. this may apply to you as well. You've mentioned that >>> you're losing both your hearing and your vision. That is going to require >>> that you figure out new ways of interacting with things, which is >>> inevitably going to be quite frustrating at times. So while you may have a >>> lot of computer knowledge, I suspect that you are doing more than just >>> learning to use a Mac, you're relearning how to use a computer. >>> >>> Regarding the terms you say overwhelm you, if you can figure out physics >>> terms, then you know that every discipline, and even subdisciplines, have >>> their specific terminology. If you don't know what a hot-spot is, either >>> google it, or ask one of us. We'd be happy to tell you. Asking questions >>> and then getting answers is a much better use of this list then just >>> venting your frustrations, though of course many of us have had occasion to >>> do that as well. :) >>> >>> As for dictation, I hate to shoot down your husband's theory, but it isn't >>> context-based. So it works the same way, whether your using Facebook or >>> Pages. It cares less about the inflection in your voice than it does the >>> clarity of your speech. One key difference that I can see between social >>> media and a pages document is that the latter is usually much longer. So >>> I'm wondering if the chunks you are dictating in your social media posts >>> are simply shorter, and thus you're having better luck. >>> >>> Just some thoughts, hope they're helpful. >>> Good luck today, >>> Donna >>> On Jan 13, 2014, at 6:47 AM, April Brown <aprilbr...@gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>>> I get to spend the afternoon doing one of my favorite things (and yes, >>>> this is honest, not sarcastic): Re-formatting a computer for one of >>>> hubby's co-workers. >>>> >>>> While in that room - Hubby and I will try the VoiceOver trainer on his >>>> Mac, and see if he has any luck figuring it out. >>>> >>>> Most people say that if between his computer knowledge, and mine, it cant >>>> be figured out, it either can't be important, or it isn't easy. >>>> >>>> I can figure out earthquake, volcano, and even some physics terms >>>> relatively easy. And yet, these term that I cannot find defined anywhere >>>> on the net that are used in the VoiceOver training are OverWhelming. >>>> >>>> Regina, I did see that link to Sarai's post, and have read all the pages >>>> on that site, even before my first post on here. >>>> >>>> Oh, and hubby thinks he knows why I can use Dictation in social media, and >>>> not Pages to tell a story. In social media, I rarely use inflection. >>>> However, I am a storyteller, so in novel writing, I have all kinds of >>>> inflection and excitement. I don't talk in a monotone while recording a >>>> story. 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