you have: - the accessibility layer itself (compontents of the os that provide accessibility information) - voiceover screen that interacts with the accessibility layer.
VoiceOver can like other programs have bugs that has nothing to do with the underlying accessibility layer of the os. just my 2 cents On Thu, Oct 31, 2013 at 07:13:55AM -0600, Tim Kilburn wrote: > Hi, > > The issue with automatic updates to VoiceOver has been skirted around here > but not clearly enough in my opinion. VoiceOver is not just a bolted on app > to the MacOS, it is a part of the OS itself. While you could update specific > code within the screenreader service, the majority of fixes actually are > within the coding of the system itself. That is, the way that either the OS > handles a process or the method by which Apple or third party apps handle > system resources often cause the problems we have with the VO interface. The > use of custom elements within apps is outside the scope and of VO updates > but, when, addressed affect VO accessibility. So, what I’m saying, is that I > don’t believe that updates to VO can necessarily be easily separated from OS > updates other than through “Supplemental” sorts of things. > > JMO. > > Later… > > Tim Kilburn > Fort McMurray, AB Canada > > On Oct 31, 2013, at 3:17 AM, mario navarro <mario....@gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > > no, what I said, is that the voice over also has bugs independently of apps. > > sorry but I do not think that way . > > > > I only want the best for the voice over, I'm not comparing windows and mac. > > please do not misunderstand me . > > > > cheers. > > Em 31/10/2013 08:49, BBS escreveu: > >> I can tell you my answer right now. Voiceover doesn’t need to be like Jaws > >> or Window-Eyes updating all the time. Even if Voiceover were updated > >> constantly, that wouldn’t solve anything. The apps that have been > >> inaccessible will remain inaccessible until the app developers fix those > >> issues themselves. And as far as Voiceover having bugs in the app, hate to > >> say this, but you’ve pretty much said your problem yourself, that the apps > >> are the problem and not Voiceover. So no, Voiceover doesn’t need automatic > >> updates. We don’t need to go through the same hell we go through with > >> Windows screen readers. > >> > >> Shawn > >> Sent From My White Mac Book > >> > >> On Oct 31, 2013, at 3:29 AM, mario navarro <mario....@gmail.com> wrote: > >> > >>> > >>> hi nicholas. > >>> I know that most times the problems are the apps, apps are standard > >>> sustema osx, or other companies. > >>> but the voice over also has some bugs in certain apps that to be fixed. > >>> The voice over is not immune to bugs. > >>> we all know that screen readers have bugs whatever they are. > >>> and also has voice over. > >>> It would also automatic updates for new features. > >>> nicholas ok, if the group agrees with the automatic updates, I want you > >>> to write the ticket for me to send. > >>> I'll be super grateful. > >>> > >>> thanks friend nicholas. > >>> cheers. > >>> Em 31/10/2013 06:29, Nicholas Parsons escreveu: > >>>> Seems to me Apple could push out updates to VoiceOver if they wanted to, > >>>> just as they push other updates for raw camera compatibility and the > >>>> like, even though those aren't separate applications. > >>>> More frequent updates to VoiceOver would be good. However, the main > >>>> accessibility issues we have are not problems with VoiceOver, but > >>>> typically problems in other apps. It's those apps that need to be > >>>> updated to improve accessibility, not VoiceOver. For instance, in > >>>> Mountain Lion it's iBooks, Pages, Mail, Calendar and Finder which need > >>>> updates, not VoiceOver. Well, there are a couple of issues with some of > >>>> the voices messing some things up, but that's a different issue as it's > >>>> Nuance that needs to address those issues. > >>>> Having said all this, Mario, I'd be happy to write the email for you if > >>>> you like, and then you can send it from your own email account. I'll > >>>> wait and hear what other people on this list have to say first, however, > >>>> as it's probably wise to take on board other feedback. > >>>> Cheers, > >>>> Nic > >>>> > >>> -- > >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > >>> "MacVisionaries" group. > >>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > >>> email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > >>> To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. > >>> Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. > >>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. > > > > -- > > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > > "MacVisionaries" group. > > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > > email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > > To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. > > Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. > > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MacVisionaries" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. > Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. 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