Hello,

Yes.  And sighted people can just move the pointer to the side of the screen 
where they have placed the dock and it will pop up, and hide itself when they 
move away from ther area if they set this up in system prefs.  If not, the dock 
is always on screen unless they put an app in full screen mode.
Ricardo Walker
rica...@appletothecore.info
Twitter:@apple2thecore
www.appletothecore.info

On May 3, 2013, at 11:05 PM, Chris Gilland <clgillan...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Great tip to know about ctrl+F3, I knew about the menu bar with ctrl+F2, and 
> the extras area with ctrl+F8, but not that one about the dock.
> 
> Chris.
> 
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Alex Hall" <mehg...@gmail.com>
> To: <macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>
> Sent: Friday, May 03, 2013 10:27 AM
> Subject: Re: Scrolling the dock from a visual perspective
> 
> 
> I'm sure it will be obvious - I've had sighted people use my mac before, and, 
> though it takes a bit, they get the hang of things very quickly. Apple is 
> good about providing visual cues that make it clear how something is supposed 
> to work; if there should be  a handle to drag, I'm sure it would appear if, 
> as you said, you had more in your dock. I'm not sure, but I thought I heard 
> somewhere that everything fits into the dock, shrinking as necessary. Once 
> you mouse over an item, it enlarges, but I am thinking everything fits on one 
> screen. I could be wrong, though.
> 
> I just want to add that, vo or not, ctrl-f3 (add function if necessary) will 
> focus you on the dock.
> On May 3, 2013, at 5:39 AM, Chris Gilland <clgillan...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
>> Hopefully one of you can try to describe to me how to convey this concept. I 
>> have a friend who is sighted who will be getting a mac really really soon.  
>> They know little to nothing about the mac nor about OSX.  Again, Voiceover 
>> is not going to be a concern, as they are completely sighted. Basically, I 
>> know a great annalogy that I'm gonna use to explain to her what the dock is, 
>> and how it is sort of ish, similar to the windows task bar, but here is the 
>> thing:  With Voiceover, we can just hit vo+D to focus on the dock, then can 
>> either use first letter navigation or can vo+right arrow to move through the 
>> dock.  I'm stating vo+right arrow, provided you're using default dock 
>> behavior of docking on the bottom of the screen. Obviously, if you dock on 
>> the left or right, then you'd vo+up and down arrow, but that won't be the 
>> case.  For her, she's gonna leave it alone going horizontally on the bottom 
>> of the screen just like usual.  Anyway, let's say she has so many icons in 
>> the dock that they won't all visually fit on the screen at one time.  I 
>> totally understand that with Voiceover it'll automatically scroll as you 
>> vo+left and right arrow, but how does she scroll the dock left and right 
>> with the mouse?  Can she just hover over the dock, then use her scroll 
>> wheel?  I wouldn't think that would work, being that the scroll wheel is 
>> normally for scrolling virtically, isn't it?  She's not getting a trackpad 
>> or the like, it's just gonna be a real real basic el cheapo little 10 dollar 
>> two button USB optical mouse with a scroll wheel.  Nothing fancy.  I also 
>> considered dragging and dropping, but I don't think so.  That would only let 
>> her rearrange the items on the dock.  I had her try doing it on my system, 
>> but she said I don't have enough in my dock to where it's running off the 
>> screen.  She thought normally, there would be a little handle she could grab 
>> with the mouse to move it back and forth, but she said she didn't see it, as 
>> I didn't have enough there in the first place.
>> 
>> I'm just wonderring if anyone knows how a person who can see would scroll 
>> the dock left and right to fit and show more or less icons as needed.  I 
>> know you can change the size of the dock icons, but that doesn't answer my 
>> question.  We don't wanna do that.  We want to leave as much alone, so she 
>> can get used to things.  Then, as she gets more comfortable, I'll help her 
>> tweek things more to her specific liking.
>> 
>> Chris.
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