So complaining about it and pointing out what has been discussed here a 
few times by others will do what?  I have two other friends waiting to get 
their subscriptions approved as well.  As someone who moderates his own list, I 
can tell you that it's difficult enough to always have a handle on things, 
especially if you have other things going on in your life.  This list as a heck 
of a lot larger than mine, and both mods here, who I do know, have plenty going 
on in their lives.  Again, be patient and it will be taken care of by them.  If 
the way they handle this list is objectionable to you, there are other lists 
out there then.  Just write to the mods off list again and they will take care 
of it when they can.  Otherwise, complaining about it is only taking up 
bandwidth and inbox space at this point.



Take Care

John D. Panarese
Director
Mac for the Blind
Tel, (631) 724-4479
Email, j...@macfortheblind.com
Website, http://www.macfortheblind.com

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On Dec 31, 2012, at 2:28 PM, "Christopher-Mark Gilland" <clgillan...@gmail.com> 
wrote:

> John, I do have respect, and I apologize if you were offended at my comment, 
> but what you need to understand is that this hasn't been going on just in 
> your word, his word, over the holiday.  This has been going on for over a 
> year that the mod hasn't seemd to really be very responding with myself, and 
> it isn't just me.  I have a lot of other friends who also have been having 
> issues over the past year or so since the beginning of 2012 which have not 
> been answered.  Under normal cercumstance John, I'd be right with you in 
> saying that my mail was quite disrespectful in nature.  In this particular 
> case however, I feel it is justified, as things just are not seeming to get 
> delt with.  Again, as I initially said: I understand holiday travel, believe 
> me, and I also totally understand that people have lives aside just managing 
> the list, believe you me, but how much patients must one show?  As I said, 3 
> months to be approved? One year without a mod responding to people like 
> myself etc?  I have nothing but respect for the mods. I'd hope you'd know 
> that, but what I don't however have any respect for is people who don't live 
> up to their job.  Again, I'm willing to open mouth, insert foot, but right 
> now, at least, this has been my observation for quite some time on going. 
> With that said, all I can offer you and others is my apology.  If I've 
> offended anyone, I'm sorry, but I have the utmost intention to stick to my 
> guns until proven otherwise.
> 
> Thank you kindly,
> 
> Christopher-Mark Gilland.
> Founder of CLG Productions
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Panarese" <jpanar...@gmail.com>
> To: <macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>
> Sent: Monday, December 31, 2012 2:01 PM
> Subject: Re: macvisionaries list
> 
> 
>  I believe that one of the moderators explained to the list that he'd be 
> traveling over the holidays and would not be able to check his mail often. 
> I'm sure that any issues or list business will be taken care by him when he 
> is able to check his mail/have internet access.  How about showing a little 
> patience and respect for the guy?
> 
> 
> 
> Take Care
> 
> John D. Panarese
> Director
> Mac for the Blind
> Tel, (631) 724-4479
> Email, j...@macfortheblind.com
> Website, http://www.macfortheblind.com
> 
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> On Dec 31, 2012, at 1:56 PM, "Christopher-Mark Gilland" 
> <clgillan...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
>> I don't mean to be rude either, but it appears that the mods don't really 
>> seem to manage this list hardly at all as they need to do.  I don't wanna 
>> tell them their jobs, as that isn't my place, but if he has to be invited, 
>> which wouldn't surprise me, I doubt he's gonna get on very quickly.
>> 
>> I'm just gonna say the bold truth.  If the mods don't like me doing so, 
>> then, take better management.  It's not rocket science.  You don't want a 
>> bad name, then don't give yourselves one.
>> 
>> I have a friend who tried joining, and it literally took 3 months before the 
>> mods approved his subscription.  By then, he'd already forgotten about it, 
>> given up, and said screw it, I don't really want on the list after all 
>> anymore anyway.
>> 
>> I've asked things like this, or how to get ahold of the mods many many 
>> times, and no list member seems to answer, nor really know.  Not to mention, 
>> when I've asked the mods before to contact me, they never have. If this were 
>> truely a matter of Chris, you need to wait, and be more patient. They have 
>> lives, you know... that would be one thing, but this is about the 4th or 5th 
>> time I've seen list administration questions come up, which never get 
>> answered.  As for your specific friend's question, I wish I could give you a 
>> more concreet answer, but I honestly can't.  I'm just writing to say, once 
>> they're on the list, they're fine, unless a problem arises, which 
>> fortunately almost never does, but if one does, good frickin luck!  It's 
>> driven me so crazy a few times, I've almost recently considerred leaving the 
>> list.  I'm not quite yet to that point of decision, but I'm slowly but 
>> surely considering it.  I really don't want a list that isn't seemingly at 
>> least, managed at all.  If I'm in the wrong, I'll be happy to open mouth, 
>> and insert foot, but from what I see, I'm not incorrect in my thought 
>> process.
>> 
>> Anyway, good luck.
>> 
>> Thank you kindly,
>> 
>> Christopher-Mark Gilland.
>> Founder of CLG Productions
>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Alex Hall" <mehg...@gmail.com>
>> To: "macvisionaries" <macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>
>> Sent: Monday, December 31, 2012 1:16 PM
>> Subject: Fwd: macvisionaries list
>> 
>> 
>>> I'm not sure how to respond. Does anyone know how he could get on this
>>> list? See below. Thanks.
>>> 
>>> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
>>> From: Gery Gaubert <gerygaub...@cox.net>
>>> Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2012 11:47:45 -0600
>>> Subject: macvisionaries  list
>>> To: mehg...@gmail.com
>>> 
>>> I tried to subscribe and got a message that said I had to be invited to
>>> join the macvisionaries list.  How do I go about getting invited?
>>> Thanks!
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
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>>> mehg...@gmail.com
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