No - I have to  typed 60-80,000 words on my PHD thesis. So i estimate 100,000 
words as a  conservative estimate when taking into account note taking and 
drafting. Admittedly I already have a lot of material written but as you say 
off topic so I will end here.   
On 19 Dec 2011, at 03:25, Rachel Magario wrote:
> I know it is off topic. But, is the 100000 words a challenge? Just curious!
> Rachel.
> On Dec 18, 2011, at 7:42 AM, David Griffith wrote:
> 
>> Dear Esther 
>> 
>> As always a very helpful post.
>>  I can confirm that after experimentation the numpad accessory that I bought 
>> does indeed have the limitations that you describe. There is also a problem 
>> on my particular device that there is no insert key or equals key. This 
>> means that you cannot  use the equals keys to bring up menu bars and you 
>> would not be able to use it in Fusion for windows   screen readers. I'll ha 
>> have to see how it goes.I may end up using  one keyboard for serious  typing 
>> and writing and another for navigating and housekeeping tasks on the Mac.   
>> I have spent  the serious money on the ergonomic keyboard now and this will 
>> I hope be justified as I need to type 100,000 words over the next year. 
>> I am sorry I confused you by posting to 2 lists.  I posted to the other list 
>> first but after  a day in which there was no response I tried my luck on 
>> here.
>> 
>> Regards
>> 
>> David Griffith
>> On 17 Dec 2011, at 12:53, Esther wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi David,
>>> 
>>> I've been meaning to reply to your post, but was getting a bit confused as 
>>> to whether my reply should be on this list or on the mac-access list, where 
>>> you also posted this question.  I haven't had an opportunity to do 
>>> extensive testing, but I'll try to summarize a few points that may be 
>>> relevant to using external num pads.  You are correct that when you set up 
>>> the USB device it will not be recognized, but that you can close the 
>>> keyboard assistant and just use Numpad Commander.  The problem that appears 
>>> to arise is that some USB number pads do not maintain the ability to use 
>>> the modified Numpad Commander combinations where you press a key on the 
>>> number pad along with a modifier key such as the Command key, Option key, 
>>> or Shift key on your regular keyboard.  What I found previously is that 
>>> when I turned on keyboard help mode with VO+K, and pressed key combinations 
>>> on the attached external numeric keypad, then exited this mode by pressing 
>>> the "Escape" key on my regular laptop keyboard or paired Apple Wireless 
>>> Keyboard,  I lost the ability to execute the modified Numpad Commander key 
>>> combinations, although the unmodified Numpad Commander key bindings would 
>>> all still work (and could be re-assigned or customized).  I can also use 
>>> the combinations which use the NumPad 0 modifier.  I think the problem is 
>>> that the keyboard setup assistant works by identifying a few default types 
>>> of keyboards, and you're prompted to press certain keys to match these 
>>> identifications.  When you press keys on a keyboard that doesn't have the 
>>> numpad built in, the keyboard definition used for your external numpad 
>>> doesn't use the correct definitions for the modifier keys.
>>> 
>>> There is an iPhone number pad app that will correctly do the modifier key 
>>> sequences when your iPhone (or iPod Touch or iPad) is on the same wireless 
>>> network as your Mac.  It's Edovia's Numpad -- Wireless Numeric Keypad app.  
>>> However, it doesn't really work well as a substitute number pad for Numpad 
>>> Commander functions because the touch screen interactions are too sensitive 
>>> now. As of a few versions of iOS ago (maybe iOS 4.2), you are prone to 
>>> getting repeated key strokes when you use this with Numpad Commander as 
>>> though you were holding down a key where you here a stuttered repeat.  
>>> (When I first tested this app out in Fall 2009, I could use this for Numpad 
>>> Commander functions, although it was a little awkward.) 
>>> 
>>> I'm not sure there's a really good solution to this, but if you're 
>>> satisfied with using Numpad Commander assignments with only the NumPad 0 
>>> modifier, you should be OK.  You might give feedback to Apple's 
>>> Accessibility team on this.  I'm used to using a Mac laptop without Numpad 
>>> Commander, so most of these tests were done earlier on as experiments.
>>> 
>>> HTH.  Cheers,
>>> 
>>> Esther
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On Dec 16, 2011, at 04:06, David Griffith wrote:
>>> 
>>>> This topic drifted away from the original subject but to bring it back I 
>>>> spotted a USB numeric keypad on amazon for £7 so decided to take a punt on 
>>>> it.
>>>> I have just plugged it in an although the Mac was very confused by it and 
>>>> said  it did not recognise it as  a keyboard it nevertheless works 
>>>> perfectly with Voiceover and the Num Pad commander.  I just closed 
>>>> keyboard assistant and all was fine.  I can now go ahead and purchase a 
>>>> Mac Ergonomic keyboard and hopefully the masses of typing I have to do inn 
>>>> the next 12 months will be a more pleasurable experience.        
>>>> 
>>>> David griffith
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> On 12/12/2011, at 12:49 AM, David Griffith <daj.griff...@gmail.com> 
>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> I have finally found a UK supplier who will provide a high quality
>>>>>>>>>> ergonomic keyboard for the Mac.
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> It is very expensive compared to Windows versions but I would buy it 
>>>>>>>>>> like a
>>>>>>>>>> shot because I am fairly desperate to have comfortable typing again. 
>>>>>>>>>> However
>>>>>>>>>> there is one problem. The keyboard does not have a numeric keypad 
>>>>>>>>>> and I am a
>>>>>>>>>> fan of num pad commander.
>>>>>>>>>> The suggestion that they have made to me is that I purchase a 
>>>>>>>>>> separate
>>>>>>>>>> numpad keyboard from them to go with the ergonomic keyboard .
>>>>>>>>>> The numpad keyboards they sell are standard PC USB devices but they 
>>>>>>>>>> believe
>>>>>>>>>> that they will work on a Mac. Having found it impossible to connect a
>>>>>>>>>> windows ergonomic keyboard which is compatible with the Mac I am 
>>>>>>>>>> suspicious
>>>>>>>>>> of claims that things should be compatible.
>>>>>>>>>> Does anybody have successful experience of using a separate numpad 
>>>>>>>>>> keyboard
>>>>>>>>>> with the Mac?
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> Regards
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> David Griffith
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>> 
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