I've found that even though it may not make the click sound when you first press a key, it still enters the character On Nov 27, 2011, at 8:11 AM, David Griffith wrote:
> Thanks for the suggestion. The problem with my banking site is that I never > enter a single password > but instead have to enter characters from it generated by random number > selection. This is good for security but defeats password automation. > > I would settle for audible feedback but Safari and voiceover does not appear > to deliver this consistently. So some edit boxes will not provide any click > feedback and others will only provide sporadic feedback. So for example if I > try to sign to my Gmail some of my key presses will provide feedback and > others will not. This is very confusing and can lead you to believe that your > have not pressed a key that you have in fact made. > The problem with the Nat West site when I tried it was that no feedback at > all was being received. On my netbook Windows XP setup I get Jaws announcing > star. . after every key press. This is all I want Voiceover and Safari to > do consistently, that is provide a click on secure edit boxes, and I would > be happy. > > David Griffith. . appaerar p 27 Nov 2011, at 01:10, Scott Howell wrote: > >> David, >> >> I have a very long password I use for my banking site. I can tell you that >> APple is not going to change how you receive feedback on entering passwords. >> Whether you agree or not, security is their first concern and I can assure >> you it took some effort to get even some audible feedback. However, perhaps >> you may consider a program such as 1Password by Agile Bits. This is an >> excellent application that will allow you to save passwords very securely >> and with one keystroke, have that password entered. >> In any case, just sharing an idea and here is a URL for more info on the app >> if you'r interested, >> http://itunes.apple.com/us/app/1password/id443987910?mt=12. >> >> On Nov 26, 2011, at 11:26 AM, David Griffith wrote: >> >>> I have come into this thread late so apologies if these points have >>> already been made. >>> >>> I am a comparative new Mac user and to be honest also initially found many >>> of the VO shortcuts very key intensive. Quick nab helped a bit but I was >>> constantly having to turn it on and off which added complication. Changing >>> the function of the Tab key to automatically interact also helped a bit. >>> This was not helped by my not getting on with the initial I MAC thin >>> keyboard which gave me terrible RSI. For the first time I had to wear >>> bandages over my wrists. >>> 2 cope with the pain. >>> 2 things have transformed matters for me. the firs is num pad commander >>> which has for me personally revolutionised the ease of using Voiceover. . >>> This has delivered much of the convenience of some old windows shortcuts >>> and more. So if you want an application key to bring up the context menu >>> then simply press the plus key on the num pad. . >>> . I can even cope with interacting in and out of elements now with out >>> wrecking my wrists because all I have to do is press 9 to interact and 7 >>> to stop interacting. I execute by pressing the 5 key and so on. The other >>> brilliant feature of the Mac is column view folder navigation which I >>> constantly miss in Windows now. The other reasons for switching to the Mac >>> is that hopefully Apple show no intention of losing a menu bar and moving >>> to a hateful ribbon arrangement. By the way pressing 8 on num pad will >>> bring up the menu bar, very easy. The other joy of the Mac is the way >>> access tools work across the system. For example item chooser works as far >>> as I can see everywhere and not just in Safari. I use it a lot in >>> unfamiliar applications to get around. >>> >>> My only major disappointments so far is that after trying TextEdit bean, >>> Nisus writer pro and Pages I have not found a satisfactory word processor >>> to cope with word documents. Whether we like it or not this is a standard >>> most of the world uses and none of these applications seem to cope with >>> tables. If you are going to use a word processor for serious use then >>> support for a table standard must be a basic necessity and I am baffled as >>> to why this has not been sorted out ages ago. >>> I also cannot do my online banking on the Mac as Safari will not even >>> provide any feedback when entering passwords. Sometimes you sporadically >>> get a click in some fields but often there is no typing feedback at all. I >>> had to reset my passwords after several confused login attempts so sadly it >>> is back to windows for anything involving passwords and finance. >>> Secondly the other massive improvement was that I have got rid of the >>> torture that was the new I MAC keyboard and replaced it with an older >>> chunky model which with a wrist support no longer pains my hands and >>> shoulders. If I could only now find a natural ergonomic keyboard that >>> worked on a mac life would be definitely on the up. Unfortunately the >>> windows ergonomic keyboards I have tried do not work. >>> >>> Anyway my recommendation is give num pad commander a try. If you have a >>> mac book then I would definitely invest in an external keyboard to gain >>> the convenience of the num pad. >>> David Griffith >>> >>> n 26 Nov 2011, at 09:19, Anne Robertson wrote: >>> >>>> Hello Garth, >>>> >>>> There are vast numbers of keyboard shortcuts that have nothing to do with >>>> VoiceOver. >>>> >>>> To get a contextual menu, hold down the Control key and click with the >>>> mouse or trackpad; >>>> To get to the Apple menu, press Ctrl-F2; >>>> To go to the dock, press Ctrl-F3; >>>> To go to the Status menus, press Ctrl-F8; >>>> To go to the Toolbar, press Ctrl-F5; >>>> To open the Applications folder, press Cmd-Shift-A; >>>> To open the Utilities folder, press Cmd-Shift-U; >>>> To open the Documents folder, press Cmd-Shift-O; >>>> To open the Home folder, press Cmd-Shift-H; >>>> And there are many more. >>>> >>>> To learn more about shortcuts and enable the ones you want, go into System >>>> Preferences, Keyboard, and select the Shortcuts tab. There you will find a >>>> table of categories, and to the right of that, a table of shortcuts for >>>> the category you've chosen. >>>> >>>> Cheers, >>>> >>>> Anne >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On 26 Nov 2011, at 09:24, Garth Humphreys wrote: >>>> >>>>> Hi Ricardo and Scott >>>>> >>>>> Sorry this is just an impression I have. I will explain a little further >>>>> what I mean, and let me also say that I acknowledge that as a new mac >>>>> user I probably don't really know what I am talking about. >>>>> >>>>> It is things like bringing up a context menu. There is obviously the 4 >>>>> finger VO way to do this. Is there any keyboard only way of doing this >>>>> other then the VO one? Under windows there is a specific key for this as >>>>> well as at least one other 2 finger keyboard shortcut. >>>>> >>>>> I get the impression that a lot of the UI in OSX is designed to be >>>>> interacted with by using a mouse or now the track pad primarily. This is >>>>> obviously the same with windows but in windows I think that you would be >>>>> more likely to be able to find a keystroke which would accomplish the >>>>> task you wanted. VO seems to have to overcome the lack of a native >>>>> keyboard shortcut and it often seems that there are a lot of steps that >>>>> are needed to get the job done. Not to mention the number of keys that >>>>> make up some of the shortcuts. >>>>> >>>>> There has been a strong history of supporting keyboard shortcuts under >>>>> windows. I read recently somewhere, possibly in the Steve Jobs biography, >>>>> that at one time he wanted to get rid of arrow keys on his keyboards >>>>> altogether. >>>>> >>>>> I think Pages is probably a lot more efficient to use if you are able to >>>>> see and can use the mouse. Under word you can achieve heaps with simple >>>>> keyboard shortcuts. >>>>> >>>>> Anyway as I said these are just the impressions of a new mac user. >>>>> >>>>> Garth >>>> >>>> -- >>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >>>> "MacVisionaries" group. >>>> To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. >>>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>>> macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >>>> For more options, visit this group at >>>> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. >>>> >>> >>> -- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >>> "MacVisionaries" group. >>> To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. >>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>> macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >>> For more options, visit this group at >>> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. >>> >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "MacVisionaries" group. >> To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >> macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >> For more options, visit this group at >> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. >> > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MacVisionaries" group. > To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. 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