Hi, I completely disagree that Mac OSX keystrokes feel like add ons or after thoughts in comparison to Windows. I would appreciate if you can give some examples of this. Ricardo Walker rwalker...@gmail.com Twitter & Skype: rwalker296 www.mobileaccess.org
On Nov 24, 2011, at 7:19 PM, Garth Humphreys wrote: > Hi Missy > > I think one the reasons your not getting that comfortable with the word > processing options on the Mac is that they actually aren't that great > compared to MS Word. This goes beyond just that we are use to using Word. > > Keystrokes on the Mac seem to be much more of an add on or after thought then > they are in windows. I don't mean this just from the perspective of a blind > user, but in general without any reference to screen readers. > > I don't want to sound like I am bashing the Mac, I actually really like using > it. I just want to be realistic about the limitations as well. Especially > given that potential new users watch this list in the same way that I did > before buying my MBA. > > Garth > > > On 24/11/2011, at 11:50 PM, Missy Hoppe wrote: > >> I agree. I'm very comfortable with basic finder commands in particular; have >> caught myself trying to use them on the PC >> recently. Even the mail commands are fairly intuitive once you memorize >> them, which usually isn't a problem for me. I just >> can't get genuinely comfortable with any of the word processing options for >> the mac, and there are a lot of instances where >> things just seem more complicated than they have to be: for example, I don't >> always know when interracting is mandatory, and >> I've heard some instructions on this list that just seem way too complex >> considering the task trying to be accomplished. I >> wish I could think of an example, but I do remember 1 thing I read recently >> where there were 4-5 steps, including >> interracting several times, and I just thought to myself that whatever the >> task was isn't nearly so complicated to do under >> windows. Still, I am to the point where I try to boot up the mac at least a >> few times a week, but unless I can find a better >> word processor, some audio games and/or a mud client that actually works, I >> don't ever see myself abandoning the PC. >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com >> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Garth Humphreys >> Sent: Thursday, November 24, 2011 8:41 AM >> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com >> Subject: Re: Mac feel natural >> >> Hi >> >> I would agree with the general sentiment that you need to just use your mac >> for a while. I have only had my Mac for a couple >> of months but I have used it everyday. >> >> I feel relatively comfortable on the Mac. I wouldn't agree that you need to >> stop using Windows completely. I have been using >> Windows XP at work everyday as well and also I've been using Windows 7 and >> Vista at home as well. >> >> I think the important thing is to use the Mac regularly. It is just practice >> and to a degree muscle memory. There are >> obviously lots of factors but one major component of feeling comfortable is >> simply knowing what keystroke to press without >> having to think about it. The simple fact is that the required keystroke to >> achieve something on a Mac is likely to be more >> complicated then it would be on a Windows machine. I don't mean that it is >> necessarily less intuitive I just mean that it is >> likely to involve more keys and so maybe harder to remember. >> When it comes time for me to send this message for example I won't have to >> think through what the key stroke is. I have used >> the mac mail app enough that it is second nature to hit Cmd+Shift+D. >> >> In short, like others have said practise. If you have to put your Windows >> machine out of reach for while to force yourself >> then sure, why not. >> >> For me personally the thing I have loved most about using my mac is the >> physical hardware it's self. The MBA is truly a >> lovely machine. I like using Lion and VO but for somethings it is just no >> replacement for an up-to-date windows machine. Word >> with JAWS or even NVDA is far better then Pages and VO in my opinion. And I >> would be really happy if I never had to hear busy >> busy busy busy again. >> >> NVDA is becoming or should I say has become a first class screen reader and >> it is free. >> >> I do love my Mac but Windows is also an excellent OS. >> >> Garth >> >> twitter.com/blindtechmusing >> >> , >> On 24/11/2011, at 7:50 PM, Krister Ekstrom wrote: >> >>> Hi, >>> I have been using the Mac since 2008 and am never ever ever ever going to >>> go back to windblows again. It took me a weekend >> to set it up and once done, i left windblows behind and have never looked >> back since. Ok, i've got a vm with XP and one with >> 7 in it, just to see what i'm not missing. The only things i use windblows >> for nowadays is playing audio games. Let's hope >> there'll be mac versions of them too so i finally can ditch windblows >> alltogether. >>> I can only agree with what others have said here, use the mac as much as >>> possible, especially when you learn it. That will >> make the experience easier. >>> /Krister >>> >>> 24 nov 2011 kl. 03:16 skrev Mary: >>> >>>> Traci, >>>> >>>> the way I did it was to force myself to do everything I needed to do on >>>> the Mac and stay away from Windows. No matter how >> tempting it was, I didn't allow myself to use Windows at all While I was >> learning to use the Mac. >>>> >>>> Mary >>>> >>>> On Nov 23, 2011, at 12:26 PM, Paul Mimms wrote: >>>> >>>>> Most of us are more comfortable with what we have become familiar with >>>>> using, therefore what is easier. You may find you >> just need to stop making the decision whether to use the MacBook or the PC >> and remove the PC from consideration. Make the >> MacBook the only computer you use and make it work for you just as you did >> with the PC at one time. >>>>> >>>>> On 11/23/2011 10:19 AM, Traci wrote: >>>>>> Hi all, >>>>>> >>>>>> What is your advice on making the Mac experience feel natural? I'm >>>>>> loving my Macbook Air, but I'm noticing I don't >> naturally go to it. I'm still using my ancient windows laptop most of the >> time. It can be 3 or 4 days, and I think I really >> should go on my Mac. >>>>>> >>>>>> :) I guess I want to get to the point, where it is odd to pick up the >>>>>> windows laptop. Any good suggestions? How long >> did it take you before the Mac felt second nature? >>>>>> >>>>>> Thanks, >>>>>> Traci >>>>>> Sent by Macbook Air Mail >>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>>>> Groups "MacVisionaries" group. >>>>>> To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. >>>>>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>>>>> macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >>>>>> For more options, visit this group at >>>>>> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> Yes, the glass is half full, but I'm not finished filling it! >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >>>>> "MacVisionaries" group. >>>>> To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. >>>>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>>>> macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >>>>> For more options, visit this group at >>>>> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >>>> "MacVisionaries" group. >>>> To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. >>>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>>> macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >>>> For more options, visit this group at >>>> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. >>> >>> -- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >>> "MacVisionaries" group. >>> To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. >>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>> macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >>> For more options, visit this group at >>> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. >>> >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "MacVisionaries" group. >> To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >> macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >> For more options, visit this group at >> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. >> >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "MacVisionaries" group. >> To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >> macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >> For more options, visit this group at >> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. >> > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MacVisionaries" group. > To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. 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