I would like to learn how to install lion as a virtual machine too, please. I am wanting to do this on my office. Any help would be apreciate it! And could I just install the current snow I ahve, plus the lion up grade, or would I have to buy from scrach? Thanks, RM On Sep 14, 2011, at 2:05 PM, Paul Erkens wrote:
> Hi Bill Holton, > > You're right. Running Lion inside a vm is a good solution if you don't want > to upgrade from snow leopard yet. I'm running Lion to my full satisfaction > and it's running natively. The sandbox is a breeze to work with once you get > the hang of it. It took me the reading of a chapter in de super duper manual, > and I was ready to go. I've never attempted to set up anything else than > windows inside a virtual environment in fusion myself yet. Interested to hear > how you succeed. > > Paul. > On Sep 14, 2011, at 8:47 PM, Bill Holton wrote: > >> I'm thinking a virtual Lion could make a nice sandbox for testing, and if I >> screw something up I can just delete the virtual machine and set up a new >> one. >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com >> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Paul Erkens >> Sent: Wednesday, September 14, 2011 2:23 PM >> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com >> Subject: Re: Questionabout Super Doopper and external drives >> >> Hi Bill Holton, >> Both sandboxing and running Lion inside vm fusion requires some system >> maintanance. Why would you want to run lion as a virtual machine by the way? >> Why not just natively? >> Paul. >> On Sep 14, 2011, at 8:07 PM, Bill Holton wrote: >> >>> Thanks for these great instructions. It looks like the new version of VM >>> Fusion will allow me to run Lion as a virtual machine, which sounds like >> it >>> will be easier than sandboxing. But I do need to partition and format my >>> coming USB HD so the instructions are no less appreciated. >>> Thanks. >>> >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com >>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Paul Erkens >>> Sent: Wednesday, September 14, 2011 1:13 PM >>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com >>> Subject: Re: Questionabout Super Doopper and external drives >>> >>> Hi Bill Holton, >>> You can repartition an external drive, and create both a fat32 windows >>> partition and a mac os 10 extended journaled one with mac disk utility. >> You >>> can then use the fat32 partition to share data between windows and the >> mac, >>> and you can use the os10 partition to maintain a backup of everything on >>> your mac. Let's begin by looking at how to resize your macintosh hd >>> partition and have a sandbox beside it. >>> It involves a few steps which I'll describe below. Not key by key though. >>> I'll assume that you have some mac knowledge, but just don't know where to >>> go yet, and in what order. Here you go. >>> >>> First open disk utility, to carefully inspect your current configuration >> so >>> that you know what you will be changing.. >>> To do this, Go into the finder, say, your desktop, and press command shift >> u >>> from there. This will open your utilities folder. Here, find disk utility >>> dot app, and open it. >>> In the disk table on the left, interact, and look at your current disk >>> configuration. You need to know a few things before you go do something >>> here. A disk is just a disk, and you cannot use it directly. It needs to >>> have a partition to hold the file system, inside of which you can store >>> files. There are many file systems, one of them is fat32, and another is >> mac >>> os10 extended journaled. A filesystem lives inside a partition, so the >>> partition is the container for the file system on the disk. From the disk >>> perspective, you first have an empty disk. Then you create a partition on >>> the disk, spanning all or only part of the disk size. As you are creating >>> the new partition, you must choose which file system is going to live >> inside >>> it, because The partition must be formatted for use with the type of file >>> system that you want to use. In other words, the way you format your >>> partition, becomes a property of the partition. So, on your external usb >>> drive, you can have a fat32 partition, and a mac os10 partition, and you >> can >>> have 2 separate mac os 10 extended journaled partitions on your internal >> mac >>> hard drive. In both cases, You then just allocate one bit to the first >>> partition, and the rest of the disk space to the other. You do this by >>> setting the size text fields inside disk utility. See below. >>> >>> Once inside disk utility on the mac, you will see your hard disk as the >>> brand of physical disk inside the machine, for example Hitachi 500gb. This >>> item in the disk table is usually expanded, meaning there can be something >>> inside it. And indeed, there is. It's your macintosh hd partition, >> formatted >>> as mac os10 extended journaled, with a size of your entire disk. >>> >>> What you want to have, is not 1 big partition of 500 or 320 gb, what have >>> you, but you would like to shrink the os10 partition and make it 20 gb >>> smaller. You will use these 20 gigabytes for the sandbox partition. This >> can >>> be done, but it can't be done non-destructively. In other words: resizing >>> your partitions with disk utility is indeed destructive, because it will >>> destroy all data on the disk. In all partitions. >>> >>> What you can do is back up everything, then recreate your macintosh hd >>> partition 20 gb smaller, create a sandbocx partition beside it, and then >>> restore your data. This is painless, as I experienced yesterday and today. >>> >>> You can use super duper. If you have one, take an external usb hard disk >>> with as much space as you have on your internal hard drive in your mac. >> Your >>> external disk can of course be larger, but you will need at most the size >> of >>> your mac drive, if you have it filled up. Super duper can create a backup >> of >>> your entire system, all apps, system files, preferences and all that. Even >>> the unregistered version of super duper does it without restriction and >> will >>> make the usb backup disk bootable too. Once everything is backed up, you >> can >>> restart your mac and boot off of the external disk. >>> >>> Note: If you have no other usb disks connected other than your external >>> backup hard disk, and as long as you only have 1 partition on the mac >> drive, >>> you can boot from the usb disk by turning on your mac, and during the >>> startup sound, hold down the option key for some 10 seconds or so. Release >>> it, and you will be in a menu. The cursor is on macintosh hd, to boot >> from. >>> Arrow left once, hit enter, and you will instead boot from the usb drive. >> It >>> takes longer but it works. End of note. >>> >>> When booted from the external drive, you have your entire system as usual. >>> Voice over as well. Because everything was backed up, both disk utility >> and >>> super duper are on this external drive too. So now, start disk utility and >>> look at what you have in the disk table. You will see your mac hard drive >>> and its macintosh hd partition, you will see your external usb disk that >> you >>> are now working from with its partitions, and you may see something called >> a >>> super drive. That is simply your mac's internal cd dvd drive. >>> Now, You want to repartition your internal mac hard drive into 2 new >>> partitions: macintosh hd 20 gb smaller, and the sandbox partition being 20 >>> gb in size. >>> >>> Put the cursor on the mac hard drive itself. Not on macintosh hd which is >>> the partition inside it. If you now look at the rest of this disk utility >>> screen, you will find a number of tabs. One of them is the partition tab. >>> Push it with vo space. The screen changes to show partitioning options. >>> >>> This screen is self-explanatory, except for one thing. There can be a >> scroll >>> area. First, you need to choose how many partitions you are going to have >> in >>> the new layout. You will find a pop button for this. After you select to >>> have 2 partitions, a scroll area will appear. It consists of 3 items: the >>> first partition, a separator and the second partition. Focus on your first >>> partition inside the scrool area and stop interacting. Now, look left and >>> right of the scroll area, and you will find places to give the partition >> its >>> size, name, and file system. Then go back to the scrool area again, focus >> on >>> the second partition which is your sandbox, and fill in the details again >>> for this partition. Then hit apply, let disk utility do its thing, and >> then >>> exit disk utility. Now you have a macintosh hd partition 20 gb smaller, >> and >>> you have your 20 gb sand box partition. Both partitions are in place but >>> they are empty. >>> >>> Now, use super duper to restore from your external drive back to macintosh >>> hd, so that your system is back normal again. >>> >>> In super duper, choose your external drive in the source pop up button, >>> choose macintosh hd as the destination in the second pop up button, use >> the >>> backup all files item in the next pop up button, and let it do its thing. >>> Now, you can boot as usual and nothing should be different. All data is >> back >>> on your drive, inside macintosh hd. >>> >>> Now for the sand box. Having booted normally, start super duper. Tell it >> to >>> back up from macintosh hd, to the new 20 gb sandbox partition, using the >>> choice named sandbox shared users as your backup method. Don't use smart >>> update this time yet. You want to be sure that everything is backed up >> from >>> macintosh hd to the sandbox partition. When done, close super duper. Now >>> you have your sandbox in place. Forget about it, until you want to test a >>> new device driver or piece of software. >>> >>> When that time has come, you will first need to boot from the new sandbox >>> partition. To do that, either do it using the option key at startup, or go >>> into system preferences, the item startup disk, and set it to boot from >>> sandbox. This will hold for all subsequent boot ups, until you change it >>> back. >>> >>> Once booted into your sandbox, install the software or drivers and try >> them >>> out. Reboot when you want or need to. Sandbox will automatically be the >>> booted partition because you did that in system preferences. If you are >>> satisfied with the new software, you will have to install it a second >> time, >>> but now on to your real macintosh hd partition. Go to system preferences, >>> change the startup disk back to macintosh hd, reboot, and install your >>> driver or software. >>> >>> Note: from time to time, it is a good idea to update your sandbox to >> reflect >>> the state of your ever changing macintosh hd. To do this, use super duper. >>> Backup from macintosh hd, to sandbox, backup all files, and use smart >> update >>> to bring down the backup time. To turn on smart update, find the options >>> button on the super duper screen, hit it and select smart update from a >> pop >>> up button. Hit ok to close options and hit copy now. Your sand box is now >> up >>> to date again, ready for the next unknown bit of software you would like >> to >>> have a go at. >>> Lastly, repartitioning your external drive should now be a snap. If you >> have >>> further questions let me know. >>> Hth, >>> Paul. >>> On Sep 14, 2011, at 3:07 PM, Bill Holton wrote: >>> >>>> Thanks. The sandbox seems like it would also be a more convenient way to >>>> get into the Mac if your main system gets messed up. How hard is it to >>>> repartition your ddrive on the fly? >>>> Also, any suggestions on what I should do with my coming USB drive so I >>> can >>>> use it both to use SuperDuper and have space to swap it to my Windows PC >>> to >>>> back it up with a PC backup program? >>>> Thanks. >>>> Bill >>>> >>>> >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com >>>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Paul Erkens >>>> Sent: Wednesday, September 14, 2011 9:04 AM >>>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com >>>> Subject: Re: Questionabout Super Doopper and external drives >>>> >>>> Hi Bill, James and others, >>>> >>>> Super duper is equal in its functionality as far as backing up and >>> bootable >>>> backups go. CCC is free. Super duper costs 30 dollars or so. Super duper >>> has >>>> an extra bit of functionality though, that I really love, now that I >>> messed >>>> up my system installing the wrong drivers and so on in the past. Super >>> duper >>>> allows you to create a sand box. A sand box is an entire copy of your mac >>> os >>>> 10 system installation residing on another partition of your hard drive, >>>> that you can use to play around with software updates, system drivers you >>>> install such as mac fuse and others, and you can mess with applications, >>>> before you go ahead and actually install them for real into your main >>>> macintosh hd. If you want to test a new hardware device driver, and you >>> are >>>> not sure of the outcome, whether or not it is going to disturb you or >>>> something in your system, you can install the new driver inside the >>> sandbox. >>>> if you find out that everything works just fine inside your second os, >> the >>>> sandbox, then you can safely install the new drivers into your real >>> system. >>>> What super duper does, is that it requires you to repartition your drive >>>> into 2 pieces. One for your normal system, and a 20 gb partition for the >>>> sandbox. >>>> But then, Once that is done, you have the great advantage of testing new >>>> drivers and software inside your sandbox, before taking the plunge to >>>> install them into the daily operating system. If, on the other hand, you >>>> find that the driver is not working for you, is too intrucive or what >> ever >>>> reason you may have to discard it, then all you need to do is copy your >>>> clean macintosh hd system files over to the sandbox, replacing the mess >>> you >>>> created there. Now, you also got rid of the faulty driver in the sandbox. >>>> No matter if you boot from your macintosh hd or from the sandbox >>> partition, >>>> you always have your documents etc at hand. This is because if you boot >>> from >>>> macintosh hd, then the documents are accessible as usual. But from the >>>> sandbox, they are reference using symbolic links, so that, even though >> the >>>> sandbox is just a copy of the real os, you can access all your private >>> stuff >>>> from there too. That is wonderful in super duper. You should very >>> carefully >>>> read the manual though, before you begin sandboxing, so that you are >> aware >>>> of what's happening. For example, you should never copy the sandbox back >>> to >>>> macintosh hd. That makes you loose all your private stuff. >>>> >>>> CCC can backup and make the backup bootable, so if you don't need the >> sand >>>> box functionality, then ccc is perfect too. >>>> >>>> On Sep 13, 2011, at 6:31 PM, Bill Holton wrote: >>>> >>>>> Hi. >>>>> I have a 2 tarabyte drive on its way, and I have a few questions about >>> Mac >>>>> backups. >>>>> First, as I seem to recall, with Superdooper you can create a backup in >> a >>>>> format you can actually boot from, if the system becomes trashed? Is >>> this >>>>> correct? Is SuperDooper the only package that allows this,or does time >>>>> Machine, also? >>>>> Second question: How would I configure the drive so I can use it to >> back >>>> up >>>>> my Mac, but also swap it out to my PC to back it up? Guessing I'll need >>>> to >>>>> create two partitions? 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