Good choice Cheree. Indeed, in my personal opinion, and based on my actual experience, you could not make a better choice than Apple.
Sincerely, The Constantly Barefooted Ray!!! Now a very proud and happy Mac user!!! Skype name: barefootedray On Apr 30, 2011, at 8:26 AM, Cheree wrote: > Cheree Heppe here: > > That isn't the real determiner. > > The determiner will be the long term committment to usability and universal > accessibility from these developers and manufacturers. > > The guy who is fully able to use his whatsit now finds himself debilitated > some way later. > > Right now, Apple has made the committment to universal accessibility and > others have addressed accessibility as an inconvenient social issue and used > poorly fitting third party overlays to solve it. > > Who know how this will continue to shake down. But now, I, for one, and I am > not in the minority of one by any means, am willing and soon to be able, to > migrate to Apple. I'm doing it because they have proven themselves, not > because of any glitsy sales routines. > > > Regards, > cheree Heppe > > > Sent from my iPhone > > On 30/04/2011, at 4:51 AM, Chris Moore <moor...@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote: > >> Compare the build quality of a cheap PC laptop to a Mac and you will see >> that you get what you pay for. The closest in build quality to Apple is >> Sony. Computers are like cars, you can buy cheap ones, or you can buy >> luxury ones. They all have 4 wheels and get you from A to B, just some do >> it quicker, sleeker and with more styling and comfort. >> On 30 Apr 2011, at 11:51, Scott Howell wrote: >> >>> Aman, >>> >>> For The best thing is you have choice. APple has not failed at all and in >>> fact has made an absolutely significant leap in the market. THe numbers >>> speak for themselves and based on that it is apparent many feel the Mac is >>> a worthwhile investment. I understand your point concerning a mobile >>> solution and you want something that is cheap, so if it is stolen or >>> damaged, you are out hundreds instead of a $1,000 etc. That works for you >>> and You are correct that a computer is a tool, but in purchasing any tool, >>> you have to consider your needs and what you are willing to invest in the >>> tool. An inexpensive machine might be perfect for you when traveling etc., >>> and again you have choice, which is great. However, if you have the money >>> or are willing to make the investment in a more expensive tool because it >>> will better meet your needs, then at least you have options. I could not >>> disagree more though that APple has failed to consider consumers. If that >>> were the case they would not be in the position they are today. Is Bose >>> wrong for charging what they do for their products? THey charge more for >>> headphones etc. then most manufacturers, but there is again even in this >>> space a price point to fit all budgets. Bose however charges what they >>> believe is a reasonable price for their product and this holds true for >>> APple. Just because someone cannot afford or wishes to spend the money does >>> not mean the company has failed. >>> Does this make sense? >>> On Apr 29, 2011, at 10:34 PM, Aman Singer wrote: >>> >>>> Hi, Carolyn and all. >>>> I do not use a Mac for two reasons. The first, and most important, >>>> has nothing to do with this thread, but a second, and almost equally >>>> important reason is one which Carolyn's message below hints at. >>>> Carolyn writes >>>> The Mac is a totally different system, and built to some stringent >>>> specifications. You don't see any Macs for $300 as you do for PC >>>> machines. And there's >>>> a good reason. They're worth more. >>>> >>>> I think they are worth more. That's not to say that they're worth >>>> what is being charged for them, but if you're saying that a Mac is >>>> worth more than most netbooks, I absolutely agree. The problem with >>>> Apple is, though, that they don't realize that technology needs to be >>>> adaptable to be taken up by a large number of people. I want a very >>>> good desktop and an adequate laptop. That's because I want to carry my >>>> laptop around with me everywhere. I want it light and I don't want to >>>> worry about damaging it, losing it, etc. I can use my powerful desktop >>>> remotely and everything works well. A $300 netbook is just the thing >>>> for me. No Mac is. The wonderful thing about both Windows and Linux is >>>> that they are so adaptable. Your $250 netbook runs Windows, and your >>>> $1000 laptop runs Windows, and your $2500 desktop runs Windows. Your >>>> plug PC costing $50 runs Linux and your $500 laptop Runs Linux and >>>> your $2500 desktop runs Linux. Obviously, I could say more, but I'm >>>> speaking strictly as a consumer. Anyhow, this is where Apple fails. >>>> Their products are adaptable over a narrow range. For many >>>> circumstances, what you want is simply something that will do the job >>>> cheaply and reasonably, and that usually isn't a Mac. Sometimes you >>>> want the fastest/best components on the market and here, again, Apple >>>> fails because of its stringency. For example, SSDs were available for >>>> other computers for nearly a year before they were available for the >>>> Mac. I think what Brant is pointing out here isn't that the Mac is too >>>> expensive for what you get, though that may well be true, but is too >>>> rigidly expensive for certain users, and too rigidly cheap for others. >>>> The fact that he finds the prices high is just a symptom, the disease, >>>> if I may be so fanciful, is that a Mac machine doesn't adapt to his >>>> situation. If you want the very high-end or the somewhat/very low-end, >>>> you don't want a new Mac. If you want to spread your money >>>> differently, spending more on certain components and less on others, >>>> you don't want a Mac at all. Of course, that also means that your >>>> skill set on a Mac, and this is particularly as an AT user, isn't as >>>> useful because it isn't used on as many devices and at as many >>>> locations. >>>> Now, you may argue that all of the above is well and good for the >>>> ordinary user but that it doesn't apply to the blind user because of >>>> the cost of screen readers and other at. The cost savings, though, on >>>> AT, have been somewhat exaggerated, in my view. They apply most >>>> obviously to a person who has never bought a screen reader or other AT >>>> before, and who wants something a bit more complicated than NVDA. This >>>> person saves money, and gets capability, with the Mac. Others don't >>>> save money quickly, don't save it at all, or take a cut in capability >>>> when they buy a Mac. An example of where the financial savings take >>>> quite a while to kick in is where people have already purchased a >>>> screen reader, Say Jaws or Window Eyes, and are purchasing a Mac >>>> rather than purchasing an SMA. Depending on the cost of the Mac and >>>> the SMA, their savings may not kick in for anywhere from 2-5 years. >>>> Again, people who want multiple computers, even if it is two machines, >>>> can, because they need only purchase the screen reader once, end up >>>> spending less on the Windows option over all. The more computers you >>>> have, the more the cost of a screen reader purchase is wiped out by >>>> cheaper hardware. Again, people who run Windows for any reason do not >>>> save money except possibly for upgrade costs in their screen reader. >>>> Again, people who want fairly simple computing can buy a netbook, use >>>> NVDA, and save large amounts of money compared to those who buy a Mac. >>>> My point, as if I haven't belaboured it enough, is that the Mac is not >>>> adaptable in the same way the PC is, and that what I hear from those >>>> who say that "the Mac costs more because it's better than Windows >>>> Machines", ignores the further question "Why should I care if I don't >>>> need to pay for a better machine?". >>>> Note that where Apple has been really successful, they have brought >>>> out devices which either push forward a category in its infancy (the >>>> iPad and iPod), or fit into a fairly narrow category (iPhone). They >>>> haven't been general purpose, like PCs are. >>>> I should say that I know about, but completely ignore, the cool/other >>>> emotional factors in buying any computer. I understand that people buy >>>> the Mac because they feel that they're supporting accessibility, or >>>> that buying mainstream technology rather than specialized access >>>> technology is somehow important/beneficial, or that they like Apple's >>>> design philosophy, or that their friends have Macs, and so on. I >>>> acknowledge that these are reasons for some people, they're just not >>>> reasons for me. I am not emotionally invested in any platform or >>>> computer, a computer is a tool, and the only questions that matters to >>>> me is what can it do and how much does it cost? It seems to me that >>>> the Mac is still on the high-cost end of the curve, and that its >>>> capabilities do not justify the premium charged by Apple which, as I >>>> understand Brandt, is what he is saying. >>>> Aman >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On 4/29/11, carolyn Haas <chaas0...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>> Hi Brandt: >>>>> Couldn't disagree with this point of view more. First you're comparing >>>>> Apples and raspberries.:) >>>>> The Mac is a totally different system, and built to some stringent >>>>> specifications. You don't see any Macs for $300 as you do for PC >>>>> machines. >>>>> And there's a good reason. They're worth more. >>>>> Secondly: you're buying mainstream technology, and not having to fork out >>>>> the price of a second machine just to get it to talk. Voiceover is built >>>>> into the system, not as an adaptation of the system. >>>>> As such, Vo is intended to give the VI Mac user a more accurate picture of >>>>> the screen. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Finally, even at $299, if docuscan works as well as we're hoping it does, >>>>> it's still a third of the price of your krzweil or openbook programs. >>>>> >>>>> Sorry, but I believe when you buy a Mac, you get what you pay for. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Carolyn >>>>> >>>>> On Apr 29, 2011, at 12:33 AM, brandt wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Hi there, >>>>>> >>>>>> Yes, $299 is a fair bit of money, but how many actually went and bought >>>>>> open Book or something similar back when ever for 3 ore 4 times more? My >>>>>> biggest complaint is not the cost of software but the ridiculous prices >>>>>> of >>>>>> Mac computers. I can and probably will go the Hakintosh route just >>>>>> because >>>>>> of that. >>>>>> >>>>>> Warm regards, >>>>>> >>>>>> Brandt Steenkamp >>>>>> >>>>>> If you like country, oldies and the occasional modern track, you can tune >>>>>> in to my show, "an Eclectic mess" every Wednesday afternoon at 3 PM UTC >>>>>> by >>>>>> going to www.TheGlobalVoice.info >>>>>> >>>>>> Contact me: >>>>>> >>>>>> Skype: brandt.steenkamp007 >>>>>> MSN: brandt...@live.com >>>>>> Google talk/AIM: brandt.steenk...@gmail.com >>>>>> Twitter @brandtsteenkamp >>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>>>> From: E.J. Zufelt >>>>>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com >>>>>> Sent: Friday, April 29, 2011 5:23 AM >>>>>> Subject: Re: For those who can actually afford this, DocuScan Plus is now >>>>>> on the mac app store. >>>>>> >>>>>> I know nothing at all about this app. But, I suspect that a significant >>>>>> portion of the cost is related to licencing a OCR SDK >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Everett Zufelt >>>>>> http://zufelt.ca >>>>>> >>>>>> Follow me on Twitter >>>>>> http://twitter.com/ezufelt >>>>>> >>>>>> View my LinkedIn Profile >>>>>> http://www.linkedin.com/in/ezufelt >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On 2011-04-28, at 10:05 PM, Matthew Campbell wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> Hello Listers. >>>>>>> DocuScan is now mac compatible and can be found on the mac app store. >>>>>>> Don't get too excited though, unless you have $299.00 to burn on it. >>>>>>> Hope this actually benefits someone. >>>>>>> the Infuriated Matt Campbell. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> -- >>>>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>>>>> Groups >>>>>>> "MacVisionaries" group. >>>>>>> To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. >>>>>>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>>>>>> macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >>>>>>> For more options, visit this group at >>>>>>> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >>>>>> "MacVisionaries" group. >>>>>> To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. >>>>>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>>>>> macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >>>>>> For more options, visit this group >>>>>> athttp://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. >>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >>>>>> "MacVisionaries" group. >>>>>> To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. >>>>>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>>>>> macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >>>>>> For more options, visit this group at >>>>>> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >>>>> "MacVisionaries" group. >>>>> To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. >>>>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>>>> macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >>>>> For more options, visit this group at >>>>> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >>>> "MacVisionaries" group. >>>> To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. >>>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>>> macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >>>> For more options, visit this group at >>>> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. >>>> >>> >>> -- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >>> "MacVisionaries" group. >>> To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. >>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>> macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >>> For more options, visit this group at >>> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. >>> >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "MacVisionaries" group. >> To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >> macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >> For more options, visit this group at >> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. >> > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MacVisionaries" group. > To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. 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