Hi Esther,

Think you very much for helping me out with the reading of the PDF files.  My 
thanks also goes to Robert.  I just got my Mac Air some three weeks ago.

Regards,

Cheok Cheng Ann
cheokcheng...@gmail.com
http://www.chengann.com/

On 04-Apr-2011, at 5:42 PM, Esther wrote:

> Hi Cheng Ann,
> 
> Let me separate this question and address this in the context of your earlier 
> query in a separate thread, which was about reading mail attachments and 
> using Preview vs. Quicklook.  First, if you are having difficulty reading 
> beyond the first page in Preview, you should first check how you have set 
> Preview to display pages -- whether the PDF Display mode under the View menu 
> on your menu bar is set to "Single Page" or "Single Page Continuous". 
> (Control+F2 or VO-M to move to the menu bar, press "v" to move to "View", 
> then arrow down to "PDF Display" and check the sub-menu to find your display 
> mode.)  If your "PDF Display" is set to "Single Page", VoiceOver will stop 
> reading at the end of the first page, and you'll have to page down to advance 
> in a multi-page PDF document (I use Fn+Down Arrow on a MacBook).  If it is 
> set to "Single Page Continuous", then provided you have interacted before 
> issuing your VO-A "read all" command, as Robert explained.  There are also 
> other options such as for going to specific pages and associated keyboard 
> shortcuts in the "Go" menu as he mentioned (e.g. Command-Option-G).
> 
> Secondly, your original question was about reading a PDF document attachment 
> in mail.  Normally, if I'm sent a multi-page PDF document as a mail 
> attachment that I know I want to keep, my first step will be to save that 
> file in some permanent folder on disk, then open it in Preview from that 
> location.  Quick Look is meant for just that purpose -- to give you a quick 
> peak into a document or audio file's contents. It runs only when this it is 
> in foreground -- so if you switch apps to answer a Skype call or move to 
> another task it is automatically paused until it is switched back as the app 
> in focus. It's a low overhead way to view contents of files, since you don't 
> really open the file in an application when you Quick Look it.  But that also 
> means that you can't modify your navigation within the file (e.g., go back to 
> the beginning, or skip ahead) or edit tags (in music files).  In mail you can 
> similarly use Quick Look to examine attachments to decide how to handle them 
> -- either by reading entire short attachments or viewing enough to decide how 
> to dispose of the these.  The default button actions beside the attachments 
> are "Quick Look" or "Save". And as Robert noted, your question is separate 
> from the issue in Denise's original post.
> 
> HTH.  Cheers,
> 
> Esther
> 
> On Apr 3, 2011, at 18:23, Robert Nelson wrote:
> 
>> Dear Cheng Ann,
>> 
>> There are two separate questions.  One is that Voice Over is unable to read 
>> certain .pdf documents.  The other question is given that voice Over can 
>> read  the document what are the keyboard commands to do this.
>> 
>> The read all command  is vo-a.  You must interact with the text first  This 
>> will read  continuously.  If you go to the menu bar and move to the "GO" 
>> Menu you will find the other keyboard commands   I hope this helps.
>> 
>> Sincerely Yours,
>> Robert
>> .  
>> On Apr 3, 2011, at 9:24 PM, Cheok Cheng Ann wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi,
>>> 
>>> This is Cheng Ann.  I am also experiencing the same problem.  The only way 
>>> I can get the voice over to read is to hold down the option and control 
>>> keys and press down the arrow key.  however, I still cannot jump from page 
>>> to page.                              
>>> 
>>> Regards,
>>> 
>>> Cheok Cheng Ann
>>> cheokcheng...@gmail.com
>>> http://www.chengann.com/
>>> 
>>> On 04-Apr-2011, at 6:32 AM, Robert Nelson wrote:
>>> 
>>>> Dear Denise,
>>>> I sometimes run into that problem.   I went to a web site to look up 
>>>> directions for a digital recorder.  there were two different products and 
>>>> I downloaded both sets of instructions.  In one case  Preview and  voice 
>>>> Over were able to read the instructions in the other case all I had was 
>>>> that the file was open in Preview.  I don't have sighted assistance so I 
>>>> cannot  tell you if  there was actually any printed text either.  It has 
>>>> been suggested to me that the issue is that the files may have  ben 
>>>> created in a version of Adobe Acrobat that Preview does not support.  I 
>>>> don't know how to  confirm this.
>>>> 
>>>> I  hope someone else has an answer.
>>>> On Apr 3, 2011, at 5:35 PM, Denise Avant wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>> hi all,
>>>>> I downloaded copies of flight reservations which are in a pdf format. 
>>>>> however, when i open them in preview, i cannot get them to read. is there 
>>>>> something i should be doing. thanks.
>>>>> 
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