Ricardo is very sharp! I've used his podcasts before and they are well done.
On Jan 24, 2011, at 1:06 PM, Colin M wrote: > Hi Ricardo! > I knew you were smart! > :] > Colin > Qapla! > Chegh chew jaj Vam jaj Kak > > On 24 Jan 2011, at 16:42, Ricardo Walker wrote: > >> Oh! lol. >> >> Thanks. This is another post that will be going into my Esther folder. :) >> >> Ricardo Walker >> rwalker...@gmail.com >> Twitter, Skype, and AIM: rwalker296 >> Google Voice: 1-646-450-2197 >> >> >> >> On Jan 23, 2011, at 7:12 PM, Esther wrote: >> >>> Hi Ricardo, >>> >>> William is referring to the fact that the native Mac OS X keyboard >>> shortcuts use Control+F2 to move to the menu bar, Control+F3 to move to the >>> dock, and Control+F8 to move to the status menu bar. So people who use the >>> Mac defaults where available will use Control+F2 (instead of VO+M), and >>> Control+F8 (instead of VO+M twice) to move to the application menu bar and >>> the status menu bar. Either of these options works. The advantage of >>> using the native Mac shortcuts is that they work even if VoiceOver freezes. >>> I'm not sure why he can't use Control+F8. Depending on whether your >>> System Preferences for keyboard are set to use the F keys in their hardware >>> or software functions, some operations requiring pressing an Fn key with a >>> function key. >>> >>> The setting for this behaviour is in System Preferences > Keyboard and on >>> the Keyboard tab of the Keyboard >>> tab there is a check box for "Use all F1, F2, etc. keys as standard >>> function keys; When this option is selected, press the Fn key to use the >>> special features printed on each key." >>> >>> I suspect that the answer to William's question is that he could use map >>> out the position of the Dropbox status menu icon with the Trackpad >>> movement, using VO+F5 to check when Dropbox is under the mouse and VO+F5+F5 >>> to read off the cursor location. Then, he could use something like Voxkeys >>> to make a script that would move the mouse to that location in the status >>> menu bar and click the icon. The script could be bound to a shortcut key >>> and this could be used without requiring the navigation tracking setting in >>> VoiceOver utility to be set to "Mouse Cursor Moves VoiceOver Cursor". In >>> order to make the measurement in pixel coordinates (which the scripts would >>> use), he'd have to set the combo box under the Announcements tab of >>> Verbosity in VoiceOver Utility to "Speak size and position in Pixels" >>> instead of millimetres or inches. Then VO+F5 would announce "Dropbox is >>> under the mouse" and pressing the F5 key again (VO+F5+F5) would give the >>> pixel coordinates of the mouse cursor on his status menu bar, for input >>> into the relevant Voxkey scripts. >>> >>> I should add that I'm not doing any work with scripts myself, but this is >>> being discussed on other lists (for using the BBC iPlayer controls, for >>> example). >>> >>> It's also actually possible to map out the status bar menu cursor locations >>> of those icons like Dropbox without having the mouse cursor set to follow >>> the VoiceOver cursor, as long as no windows are open (or they're all >>> hidden) and you're working from Finder, but it's trickier, and I wouldn't >>> do this in practice. >>> >>> In answer to Jes' question (way down the thread) about how one is managing >>> to access the full status bar, what's being used here is the ability to >>> move the mouse cursor with the Trackpad independent of VoiceOver's >>> navigation. VoiceOver can report when the cursor is on the icon in the >>> status bar; it just doesn't have a way of navigating to some of these icons >>> by VoiceOver shortcuts and keystrokes because they aren't exposed for >>> navigation purposes. VoiceOver can also report the pixel positions of >>> icons, so you can get another feeling of how much you move between typical >>> icons on the status menu bar if you check the offset positions for the >>> icons you can navigate to with VoiceOver. This is a particularly good case >>> for using Trackpad navigation, since you can't move beyond the top of the >>> screen with your cursor, even if you don't move the cursor to the right or >>> left in a perfectly straight line. So if you move to the left, but >>> slightly up on the Trackpad, only your horizontal motion will be used if >>> your vertical motion would otherwise position the cursor "above" the status >>> bar. >>> >>> HTH. Cheers, >>> >>> Esther >>> >>> >>> On Jan 23, 2011, at 07:45, Ricardo Walker wrote: >>> >>>> Hi, >>>> >>>> I'm not a braille user so I have no answers for you regarding that. I'm a >>>> bit confused about control F8 though. I don't remember mentioning control >>>> F8 in the show. I did say press control option F8 to open VO utilities. >>>> Could this be what your referring to? >>>> >>>> Ricardo Walker >>>> rwalker...@gmail.com >>>> Twitter, Skype, and AIM: rwalker296 >>>> Google Voice: 1-646-450-2197 >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On Jan 22, 2011, at 6:32 PM, William Windels wrote: >>>> >>>>> Hi Ricardo, >>>>> thanx for your podcast about this problem, it works! >>>>> But, on my system , control+f8 isn't working also (f-functions are done >>>>> without fn). >>>>> And about the settings in navigation of the vo-menu: >>>>> normally the mouse-cursor was set to ignore the voiceover-cursor so , for >>>>> this, I have set it to follow the vo-cursor. >>>>> >>>>> I know that I have troubles with braille when I set this option to "move >>>>> vo-cursor"but I don't know if "move vo-cursor" can be a default setting >>>>> without having problems in other situations/programs with vo and/or >>>>> braille? >>>>> >>>>> Thanx for your answer, >>>>> >>>>> best regards, >>>>> William >>>>> Op 22-jan-2011, om 20:31 heeft Ricardo Walker het volgende geschreven: >>>>> >>>>>> I show how to get to the hidden icons in the status bar like hot spot >>>>>> shield. >>>>>> >>>>>> hth >>>>>> >>>>>> Ricardo Walker >>>>>> rwalker...@gmail.com >>>>>> Twitter, Skype, and AIM: rwalker296 >>>>>> Google Voice: 1-646-450-2197 >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On Jan 22, 2011, at 1:23 PM, Michael Busboom wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> Hello Ricardo, >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Are you saying that you discuss how to find "hidden items" like Hot >>>>>>> Spot Shield items in the system Status menu in this podcast? Or, >>>>>>> rather, are you referring to the Ctrl-F8 discussion point? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Have a super weekend, >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Mike >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On 22,Jan,2011, at 5:56 PM, Ricardo Walker wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Hi, >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> this happens to be my main topic in my first episode of, Apple to the >>>>>>>> core. lol. You can listen here >>>>>>>> http://goo.gl/8FoSJ >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Ricardo Walker >>>>>>>> rwalker...@gmail.com >>>>>>>> Twitter, Skype, and AIM: rwalker296 >>>>>>>> Google Voice: 1-646-450-2197 >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Jan 22, 2011, at 11:40 AM, Michael Busboom wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Dane, are you sure about that command? I hit the VO-M command twice >>>>>>>>> to get to the system status menu, but entering Ctrl-F8 didn't >>>>>>>>> accomplish anything. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> I have this program called Hot Spot Shield that hangs out in the >>>>>>>>> System Status area, and it is, thus far, inaccessible to me. Too >>>>>>>>> bad, because it's a great program that hides your IP address which >>>>>>>>> can be very useful when you are out in public. Does the Ctrl-F8 give >>>>>>>>> you better access to this area of the screen than the traditional >>>>>>>>> VO-M*2? >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Take care, >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Mike >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On 22,Jan,2011, at 1:43 AM, Dane Trethowan wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Even better way of doing it, try ctrl-f8. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> On 22/01/2011, at 11:13 AM, Jeffrey Shockley wrote: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Hi, >>>>>>>>>>> I will add that if you VO M twice, and arrow through the menues, >>>>>>>>>>> you can get more info by pressing Option with left/right arrows to >>>>>>>>>>> explore the status bar. >>>>>>>>>>> HTH, >>>>>>>>>>> Jeffrey >>>>>>>>>>> On Jan 21, 2011, at 6:50 PM, Teresa Cochran wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> VO-m two times quickly. Then right-arrow through the menu items >>>>>>>>>>>> till you get to one you want to explore further. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> HTH, >>>>>>>>>>>> Teresa >>>>>>>>>>>> On Jan 20, 2011, at 2:55 AM, Jes Smith wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi all, >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> How does one access the full status bar with voiceover, as I >>>>>>>>>>>>> thought the icons for things such as drop box and such were not >>>>>>>>>>>>> accessible. >>>>>>>>>>>>> I realize that someone posted a work around for the v o m m >>>>>>>>>>>>> thing, but I just subscribed to the list yesterday so would >>>>>>>>>>>>> appreciate the info. >>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks and take care. >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Jes >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>> >>> -- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >>> "MacVisionaries" group. >>> To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. >>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>> macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >>> For more options, visit this group at >>> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. >>> >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "MacVisionaries" group. >> To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >> macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >> For more options, visit this group at >> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. >> > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MacVisionaries" group. > To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. 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