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On 24 Jan 2011, at 16:42, Ricardo Walker wrote: > Oh! lol. > > Thanks. This is another post that will be going into my Esther folder. :) > > Ricardo Walker > rwalker...@gmail.com > Twitter, Skype, and AIM: rwalker296 > Google Voice: 1-646-450-2197 > > > > On Jan 23, 2011, at 7:12 PM, Esther wrote: > >> Hi Ricardo, >> >> William is referring to the fact that the native Mac OS X keyboard shortcuts >> use Control+F2 to move to the menu bar, Control+F3 to move to the dock, and >> Control+F8 to move to the status menu bar. So people who use the Mac >> defaults where available will use Control+F2 (instead of VO+M), and >> Control+F8 (instead of VO+M twice) to move to the application menu bar and >> the status menu bar. Either of these options works. The advantage of using >> the native Mac shortcuts is that they work even if VoiceOver freezes. I'm >> not sure why he can't use Control+F8. Depending on whether your System >> Preferences for keyboard are set to use the F keys in their hardware or >> software functions, some operations requiring pressing an Fn key with a >> function key. >> >> The setting for this behaviour is in System Preferences > Keyboard and on >> the Keyboard tab of the Keyboard >> tab there is a check box for "Use all F1, F2, etc. keys as standard >> function keys; When this option is selected, press the Fn key to use the >> special features printed on each key." >> >> I suspect that the answer to William's question is that he could use map out >> the position of the Dropbox status menu icon with the Trackpad movement, >> using VO+F5 to check when Dropbox is under the mouse and VO+F5+F5 to read >> off the cursor location. Then, he could use something like Voxkeys to make >> a script that would move the mouse to that location in the status menu bar >> and click the icon. The script could be bound to a shortcut key and this >> could be used without requiring the navigation tracking setting in VoiceOver >> utility to be set to "Mouse Cursor Moves VoiceOver Cursor". In order to >> make the measurement in pixel coordinates (which the scripts would use), >> he'd have to set the combo box under the Announcements tab of Verbosity in >> VoiceOver Utility to "Speak size and position in Pixels" instead of >> millimetres or inches. Then VO+F5 would announce "Dropbox is under the >> mouse" and pressing the F5 key again (VO+F5+F5) would give the pixel >> coordinates of the mouse cursor on his status menu bar, for input into the >> relevant Voxkey scripts. >> >> I should add that I'm not doing any work with scripts myself, but this is >> being discussed on other lists (for using the BBC iPlayer controls, for >> example). >> >> It's also actually possible to map out the status bar menu cursor locations >> of those icons like Dropbox without having the mouse cursor set to follow >> the VoiceOver cursor, as long as no windows are open (or they're all hidden) >> and you're working from Finder, but it's trickier, and I wouldn't do this in >> practice. >> >> In answer to Jes' question (way down the thread) about how one is managing >> to access the full status bar, what's being used here is the ability to move >> the mouse cursor with the Trackpad independent of VoiceOver's navigation. >> VoiceOver can report when the cursor is on the icon in the status bar; it >> just doesn't have a way of navigating to some of these icons by VoiceOver >> shortcuts and keystrokes because they aren't exposed for navigation >> purposes. VoiceOver can also report the pixel positions of icons, so you >> can get another feeling of how much you move between typical icons on the >> status menu bar if you check the offset positions for the icons you can >> navigate to with VoiceOver. This is a particularly good case for using >> Trackpad navigation, since you can't move beyond the top of the screen with >> your cursor, even if you don't move the cursor to the right or left in a >> perfectly straight line. So if you move to the left, but slightly up on the >> Trackpad, only your horizontal motion will be used if your vertical motion >> would otherwise position the cursor "above" the status bar. >> >> HTH. Cheers, >> >> Esther >> >> >> On Jan 23, 2011, at 07:45, Ricardo Walker wrote: >> >>> Hi, >>> >>> I'm not a braille user so I have no answers for you regarding that. I'm a >>> bit confused about control F8 though. I don't remember mentioning control >>> F8 in the show. I did say press control option F8 to open VO utilities. >>> Could this be what your referring to? >>> >>> Ricardo Walker >>> rwalker...@gmail.com >>> Twitter, Skype, and AIM: rwalker296 >>> Google Voice: 1-646-450-2197 >>> >>> >>> >>> On Jan 22, 2011, at 6:32 PM, William Windels wrote: >>> >>>> Hi Ricardo, >>>> thanx for your podcast about this problem, it works! >>>> But, on my system , control+f8 isn't working also (f-functions are done >>>> without fn). >>>> And about the settings in navigation of the vo-menu: >>>> normally the mouse-cursor was set to ignore the voiceover-cursor so , for >>>> this, I have set it to follow the vo-cursor. >>>> >>>> I know that I have troubles with braille when I set this option to "move >>>> vo-cursor"but I don't know if "move vo-cursor" can be a default setting >>>> without having problems in other situations/programs with vo and/or >>>> braille? >>>> >>>> Thanx for your answer, >>>> >>>> best regards, >>>> William >>>> Op 22-jan-2011, om 20:31 heeft Ricardo Walker het volgende geschreven: >>>> >>>>> I show how to get to the hidden icons in the status bar like hot spot >>>>> shield. >>>>> >>>>> hth >>>>> >>>>> Ricardo Walker >>>>> rwalker...@gmail.com >>>>> Twitter, Skype, and AIM: rwalker296 >>>>> Google Voice: 1-646-450-2197 >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Jan 22, 2011, at 1:23 PM, Michael Busboom wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Hello Ricardo, >>>>>> >>>>>> Are you saying that you discuss how to find "hidden items" like Hot Spot >>>>>> Shield items in the system Status menu in this podcast? Or, rather, are >>>>>> you referring to the Ctrl-F8 discussion point? >>>>>> >>>>>> Have a super weekend, >>>>>> >>>>>> Mike >>>>>> >>>>>> On 22,Jan,2011, at 5:56 PM, Ricardo Walker wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> Hi, >>>>>>> >>>>>>> this happens to be my main topic in my first episode of, Apple to the >>>>>>> core. lol. You can listen here >>>>>>> http://goo.gl/8FoSJ >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Ricardo Walker >>>>>>> rwalker...@gmail.com >>>>>>> Twitter, Skype, and AIM: rwalker296 >>>>>>> Google Voice: 1-646-450-2197 >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Jan 22, 2011, at 11:40 AM, Michael Busboom wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Dane, are you sure about that command? I hit the VO-M command twice >>>>>>>> to get to the system status menu, but entering Ctrl-F8 didn't >>>>>>>> accomplish anything. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I have this program called Hot Spot Shield that hangs out in the >>>>>>>> System Status area, and it is, thus far, inaccessible to me. Too bad, >>>>>>>> because it's a great program that hides your IP address which can be >>>>>>>> very useful when you are out in public. Does the Ctrl-F8 give you >>>>>>>> better access to this area of the screen than the traditional VO-M*2? >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Take care, >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Mike >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On 22,Jan,2011, at 1:43 AM, Dane Trethowan wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Even better way of doing it, try ctrl-f8. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On 22/01/2011, at 11:13 AM, Jeffrey Shockley wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Hi, >>>>>>>>>> I will add that if you VO M twice, and arrow through the menues, you >>>>>>>>>> can get more info by pressing Option with left/right arrows to >>>>>>>>>> explore the status bar. >>>>>>>>>> HTH, >>>>>>>>>> Jeffrey >>>>>>>>>> On Jan 21, 2011, at 6:50 PM, Teresa Cochran wrote: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> VO-m two times quickly. Then right-arrow through the menu items >>>>>>>>>>> till you get to one you want to explore further. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> HTH, >>>>>>>>>>> Teresa >>>>>>>>>>> On Jan 20, 2011, at 2:55 AM, Jes Smith wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Hi all, >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> How does one access the full status bar with voiceover, as I >>>>>>>>>>>> thought the icons for things such as drop box and such were not >>>>>>>>>>>> accessible. >>>>>>>>>>>> I realize that someone posted a work around for the v o m m thing, >>>>>>>>>>>> but I just subscribed to the list yesterday so would appreciate >>>>>>>>>>>> the info. >>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks and take care. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Jes >>>>>>>>>>>> >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "MacVisionaries" group. >> To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >> macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >> For more options, visit this group at >> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. >> > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MacVisionaries" group. > To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. 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