Hi:
I just wanted to add to Sarai's comment that, at least in my case, my Apple 
store people have been incredibly cool about the one to one training.  They've 
set no limit on how many times I come in, and, in fact, they tend to take any 
issues we discover seriously and if they can't address them, they explore them 
or kick them upward.  So, it's become a pretty neat interchange.  I feel very 
lucky to have this help available.  
I also think the idea of putting together a sort of "best-of" quick guide could 
be useful to the one to one training process for voice-over users.
Carolyn
On Oct 11, 2010, at 3:37 PM, Sarai Bucciarelli wrote:

> When you buy a Mac, you can purchase training at your local apple store for 
> $100 for a year's worth of training. This has been very helpful..
> On Oct 11, 2010, at 12:10 PM, Kaare Dehard wrote:
> 
>> When I bought my Macbook pro, I did get some help from ontario's adp 
>> program. I didn't however get the "maximum contribution" as things like the 
>> screen reader weren't necessary. I don't do a lot of ocr, but I did like 
>> k1000 for windows. I think you could make a case for the macs based on ease 
>> of upgrade in certain environments. I do a bit of networking a tiny bit of 
>> sound work, and a lot of correspondence, as well as basic word processing. 
>> If you are to make a case for the inclusion, I think that tayloring it to 
>> people who are willing to learn new and different things, and who are 
>> working with multi-media and the net. 
>> 
>> Yep, you will have to stress that this is different and that the mac 
>> products do address similar issues in a different way, and no, windows is 
>> still great for some people but choice is also great.
>> 
>> Personally I don't think we will see an end to adaptive products, as there 
>> are a valued group of buyers who would not be ready to have the capacity to 
>> or be willing to learn new stuff. However, they still require service.
>> 
>> 
>> On 2010-10-11, at 10:19 AM, Isaac Obie wrote:
>> 
>>> Hello Heather,
>>> It's just like years ago I asked the state for Window Eyes. I was told, "We 
>>> only have Jaws". So it was Jaws or nothing!
>>> So I got in the habit of buying my own equipment. But some states are 
>>> giving Macs nowadays. I know one list member who received a Macbook pro and 
>>> is extremely happy with it. So I guess sometimes it's where you're at the 
>>> time. this person is seeking a job. So the Mac was to help in that endeavor.
>>> I have a mac mini which I bought. Now I am trying to help a friend find a 
>>> Mac. The states will do as they please. I've come to accept that.
>>> Isaac
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: heather kd5cbl
>>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>>> Sent: Monday, October 11, 2010 9:41 AM
>>> Subject: please don't turn this in to a debate, just need information
>>> 
>>> I am a very knew Mac user and feel that our state rehab departments are 
>>> favoring the windows based machines over the mac machines.  Yes, our states 
>>> have all the money to give there blind consumers all this adaptive 
>>> technology while in school.  However, after school, blind individuals 
>>> struggle to keep their equipment up to date.  I am trying to write a letter 
>>> about the mac for blind consumers instead of jaws on a windows pc.  I 
>>> wanted to make the case that the states should not be so geared to window 
>>> based machines for there blind consumers.  I just don't no enough about OCR 
>>> solutions for the Mac like we have Kurzweil1000 for windows.  Also I am not 
>>> sure about the braille translation programs for the macs as we have mega 
>>> dots or Duxbury for the windows computers.  Also, we use victor streams, 
>>> eclipse reders and for our textbooks so if there is a Mac equivalent, I 
>>> wanted to know about it.  I am trying to convince our rehab department that 
>>> they need to show both options to their consumers.  I plan on submitting my 
>>> letter at the end of the week to are rehab department.  Thank you, Heather
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