ok, the right most pane (chat pane) is what seems to give me the most frustration. if I have questions, I can't ask for help in there as I can't adequately read any of the responses.
-Eric On Oct 2, 2010, at 2:20 PM, Nicolai Svendsen wrote: > Hello! > > I have a KoL account, and I play frequently. Or I try, anyway. I'll try it > again and let you know, since it's a little while since I did play it a lot > as an example. > > Regards, > Nic > Mobile Me: nic2...@me.com > GoogleTalk: chojiro1...@gmail.com > Facebook > Twitter > Skype: Kvalme > MSN Messenger: nico...@home3.gvdnet.dk > Yahoo! Messenger: cin368 > AIM: cincinster > > On Oct 2, 2010, at 11:18 PM, Eric Oyen wrote: > >> hadn't considered growl for skype. >> >> as for a live chat html page, I used to be able to use them when my eyes >> were working (even minimally as they were) without a great deal of >> interaction (just typing and reading). I find I can't function that way >> given voiceover's limitations. take a look at the kingdom of loathing main >> screen (if you don't have a player in that game, its free to create one). >> the chat pain is live chat, but I can't seem to get voiceover to behave very >> well on it (it ;oops on "loading chat" and then won't read the last line). I >> am trying a new method that seems to work ok with skype and adium. if it >> works with live chat html pages, then I am gold. if not, I am not sure what >> else to do. >> >> -Eric >> >> On Oct 2, 2010, at 1:52 PM, Nicolai Svendsen wrote: >> >>> Hi! >>> >>> I think you're getting a bit confused here. :) >>> >>> VoiceOver isn't supposed to update itself. It actually works really well >>> with dynamic HTML areas, even live chats. You have to go to the last item >>> yourself because that is because you're expected to interact just as much >>> as a sighted user would. >>> >>> If I understand you correctly, you expect it to read automatically which >>> isn't going to happen unless you make an AppleScript, I suppose. Or you >>> could use Growl in Skype. >>> >>> Regards, >>> Nic >>> Mobile Me: nic2...@me.com >>> GoogleTalk: chojiro1...@gmail.com >>> Facebook >>> Twitter >>> Skype: Kvalme >>> MSN Messenger: nico...@home3.gvdnet.dk >>> Yahoo! Messenger: cin368 >>> AIM: cincinster >>> >>> On Oct 2, 2010, at 10:44 PM, Eric Oyen wrote: >>> >>>> reality check cashed. >>>> I have had a few "limitation" problems with voiceover (especially as far >>>> as live chat sessions are concerned). part of the problem with some >>>> websites is that they force a reload every few seconds and that trips up >>>> voiceover (I have encountered this already). Another problem is some >>>> websites do not use headers for their info, thus you are forced to hop >>>> from link to link to get your info. Frames are a bit easier to handle but >>>> not always do they work. >>>> >>>> I haven't tried the latest openoffice. I had a version or 2 back that >>>> worked nicely with voiceover. >>>> >>>> I wish we had some more features that could be switched in for active >>>> chats and live scrolling web pages (irc style chats). >>>> >>>> fyi, the following apps do not work with voiceover at all: >>>> mozilla thunderbird >>>> mozilla firefox >>>> virtualbox (however tts systems inside the VM work perfectly well) >>>> >>>> I still have problems with sky[pe for OS X, but I have a workaround for >>>> the live chat screens. >>>> I simply go into the html area (VO+shift+down arrow) page down to the end, >>>> VO+shift+F3 to turn off cursor tracking. then VO+end to read the last >>>> message (having the skype chime on for last message received allows you to >>>> know when a message has arrived) and then you just hit enter to type in >>>> the edit box as normal. you will have to hit VO+end every time a new >>>> message appears but this works. >>>> >>>> -Eric >>>> >>>> On Oct 2, 2010, at 6:02 AM, Scott Ford wrote: >>>> >>>>> Hello everyone, >>>>> I am working on a Mac book pro in win 7. Unfortunately I keep >>>>> finding myself having to do this. Part is my inability to completely >>>>> grasp >>>>> voice over in a really efficient way. However I feel to a larger part I >>>>> cannot get the functionality that I find necearry to complete my work and >>>>> university assignments. For example last night I was searching for >>>>> information on a pelit stove that I am working on. I found a good and >>>>> very >>>>> informative site, however the mouse over functions were completely crazy. >>>>> Nothing was folloing a sequence that I could replicate, finally just by >>>>> clicking on every mouse over on the page all of the information was >>>>> displayed. I went into windows and discovered that the site was solid. >>>>> This is only one event. I very frequently find that this is occurring >>>>> even >>>>> in google of all places. Many times the heading hot key does not function >>>>> properly. Can you tell me if you guys are running into similar >>>>> frustrations? I find similar troubles with the need for a good word >>>>> processor and spreadsheet application. I will not go into details right >>>>> now, but I too am questioning how long before we can expect a bit more >>>>> stability and a solid tool for productivity? I love the sleek design and >>>>> form factor in the mac, however I am not seeing the craze and mysticism >>>>> that >>>>> many folks are embuing the machines with. I have found the hardware just >>>>> as >>>>> pron to wear and tare and failer as on a PC. I will stop my rant and I >>>>> really appoligize if I have offended anyone, that was certainly not my >>>>> intentions. I just want a bit of a reality check. >>>>> Sincerely, >>>>> Scott >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >>>>> "MacVisionaries" group. >>>>> To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. >>>>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>>>> macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >>>>> For more options, visit this group at >>>>> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. >>>>> >>>> >>>> Eric Oyen - N7ZZT >>>> Phoenix Arizona >>>> Geocode: >>>> 33.488462 -112.234926 >>>> N33° 29.3077', W112° 14.0956' >>>> >>>> -- >>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >>>> "MacVisionaries" group. >>>> To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. >>>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>>> macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >>>> For more options, visit this group at >>>> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. >>>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >>> "MacVisionaries" group. >>> To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. >>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>> macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >>> For more options, visit this group at >>> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. >> >> Eric Oyen - N7ZZT >> Phoenix Arizona >> Geocode: >> 33.488462 -112.234926 >> N33° 29.3077', W112° 14.0956' >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "MacVisionaries" group. >> To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >> macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >> For more options, visit this group at >> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. >> > > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MacVisionaries" group. > To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. 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