Scot, It's messages such as yours which show just how narrow minded and small minded some people can be. Frankly, remarks such as yours against the NFB are not why I joined this list; and, to speak frankly, if this sort of thing is going to continue, I will be compelled to leave. That is not why I joined this list. I joined to get good information about the Mac and how to use Voice OVer with it. The kind of hatred you exhibit in your message is baggage I really have no room for now or ever. When you insult the NFB like this, you insult me; because, you see, I am a member of that organization. They didn't pay me to come on here and say this, I say it on my own. Hate the NFB if you want too; that's your right. But, if you imagine for one minute that spewing your hatred openly like this is not going to have any consequences, you are wrong. That's all I'm going to say to you now or ever!!!
Sincerely, The Constantly Barefooted Ray!!! A Very Proud and Happy Mac User!!! E-Mail: rforetjr at comcast dot net Skype Name: barefootedray On Sep 3, 2010, at 7:12 PM, Scott Granados wrote: It's not about agreeing or not. It's about cold, hard, varifyable facts and our history. Are we not to comment about the harm done to accessibility because the NFB said so? I don't mean to be intentionally confrontational, I leave that for other non technical lists but statements and comments were being made and questions asked and these posters deserve to under stand the truth about the state of affairs. A very simple google search will give you more than enough supporting facts of my position. It's important that we not blaim companies when it's our selves that are doing the damage. We'll never proceed on and make progress if we blindly follow organizations off a cliff while they have only the bottom line in mind not our successes. I'll end this line of commenting and only intended to spread some truth instead of having lots of us going off half assed writing Microsoft and Apple when it's our own fault. Thank you Scott On Sep 3, 2010, at 7:49 PM, Carolyn wrote: > Scott, Scott, Scott: > While there are those of us who would likely agree with you, that opinion is > probably best kept among those people you are sure would agree. > > Carolyn > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Scott Granados > To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com > Sent: Friday, September 03, 2010 2:57 PM > Subject: Re: MS Word's lack of access with VO > > You can thank that utterly corrupt organization called the NFB for the lack > of accessibility products and tools from Microsoft. > > Years ago the NFB protested literally on the steps of Microsoft HQ because > they had received a pay off from a 3rd party that will remain nameless but > their initials are FS. This seven figure payoff is to this day why the NFB > works against accessibility natively in products. This is also why the NFB > and their allied organizations are so hostile against Apple, they don't get a > cut. The NFB has done more to harm the blind community than just about > anyone else so you have them to thank for the lack of accessibility. Frankly > if I were Microsoft after the treatment they received I would actively do > everything I could to insure that products weren't accessible so you didn't > have a bunch of pissed off militant blinks demanding justice on your doorstep. > > Thanks NFB, we love you! > > > > On Sep 2, 2010, at 11:03 AM, cathyk wrote: > > > Dear List, > > I've been struck by how willing we are to accept the fact that VO > > doesn't work natively with MS Word. At one level all the work-arounds > > show just how flexible, enterprising, and creative we are; every > > employer should be eager to hire anyone with such spark and, yes, > > ability. But am I the only one who fluctuates between sadness and > > outright anger that a program like MS Word, so standard in every > > single thing related to word processing, isn't accessible from the get- > > go? Every work-around means time and energy taken away from the main > > task at hand, whatever it is we're hoping to do. Each conversion on > > its own is just a few seconds here and there. But these seconds add > > up, plus they leave us open to unnecessary mistakes, which reflect > > badly on our capabilities. > > > > I know some people on this list have been trying to change this. I > > propose we band together, and really push for this to happen > > collectively. We can certainly make it more public that despite all > > the claims for accessibility, VO doesn't work with a MAJOR program. I > > frankly don't care whether the fault lies with Apple or Microsoft - > > they need to be made to play together, just as they surely have on > > other matters. As an added incentive, I know that lots more sighted > > people are warming to the idea of having long documents read to them, > > which means that this improvement would have broader benefits and > > could even be a marketing tool for Apple to tout its screen reader as > > an interesting technology for all. > > > > Please excuse this rant, but it's been building up; I just can't > > understand why we're so willing to accept the status quo when the > > thing that excited so many of us about the Mac was finally being part > > of mainstream technology. > > > > In solidarity, > > cathyk > > > > -- > > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > > "MacVisionaries" group. > > To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. > > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > > macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > > For more options, visit this group at > > http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. > > > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MacVisionaries" group. > To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. > > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MacVisionaries" group. > To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. 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