hey thanks just tried that and it works a treat, shame it does not auto read out the new message automatically as it arrives, but still a damn sight better then the way I was using IM before. Just tried it with Adium, will try it with ichat/facebook when I get that working again. On 17 Jun 2010, at 11:47, John André Netland wrote:
> Here is what to do when doing IM with VoiceOver: > •Navigate to the text field > •Press control-option-shift-F3 to turn cursor tracking off > •Navigate to the area for incoming messages > •read and answer just by navigating the message area, you don't need to move > to the text field. Just write and press enter. > •Remember to press control-option-shift-F3 to turn curser tracking on before > using other apps. > > This should work in all IM apps, like text chat in Skype, iChat etc. etc. > > Hope this helps someone. > > John André > > On 17. juni 2010, at 11.47, Chris Moore wrote: > >> You can create keyboard command shortcuts to perform basic tasks, such as >> launch an application, tell you the current time, tell you how many unread >> messages you have and I have assigned a toggle between DOM and Group mode >> for when using Safari. mAC os x has scripting built into the OS which >> VoiceOver is part of too as VoiceOver is built into the OS its not an add >> on. Mac OS X has Automator too fa visual way to build many scripts. I must >> admit I have not used scripts yet as I am fairly new to VoiceOver too. >> >> Like you I would prefer a better way of using IM, it is a bit clumsy on the >> Mac I find. I wrote to Apple accessibility about iChat, I would like iChat >> to automatically speak out a message as it arrives in the active window so I >> can easily quickly type a response. Currently I have to move to the edit >> box and type my message and then navigate to the HTML window to read my >> replies in a conversation and a lot of the time (Adium) I have to keep >> scrolling down the entire history to read my last message received. Not >> sure if there is a better way. I think iChat supports VO +J but as I was >> about to try it Safari 5 seemed to mess up my iChat experience. I have seen >> JAWS use MSN Messenger for Windows and it is far superior, if we keep the >> pressure up with Apple hopefully iChat will work just as well. As for other >> IM applications, we are best writing to the developers directly. >> On 17 Jun 2010, at 10:35, Dave Taylor wrote: >> >>> Here are some specific questions on areas where it appears Jaws is ahead. >>> >>> 1. In messenger programs, is it possible to have a set of keystrokes that >>> will read messages and stay within the history area while being able to type >>> in the edit area at the same time and review that typing? I would want to >>> have a feature set like the alt plus numbers and arrows in Jaws otherwise it >>> would be too slow. This is one of the main reasons I haven't switched to >>> NVDA rather than Jaws. >>> >>> 2. In Skype, I can get to my contacts or conversations list with single >>> keystrokes using ctrl 1 and ctrl 2, and focus most other areas with similar >>> keystrokes. In addition to the feature I just asked for in messenger, how >>> easy is this in Mac? >>> >>> 3. This one is not a Mac problem, but is really important to me. I use >>> several programs that make tasks so easy in Windows that don't work on the >>> Mac. How much does it cost to buy Windows stand alone these days to run >>> those on a Mac? I'm thinking of SpeakOn which makes internet radio, podcasts >>> and all sorts of other audio things much easier and gives you fantastic >>> control over speed etc, Kurzweil 1000 which though expensive automates so >>> much of my mail reading by simply scanning and automatically reading things >>> while I'm doing things, and programs that don't even exist for Mac like the >>> VIP communicator for the Accessible Friends Network and VIP Conduit. >>> >>> It is also possible with Jaws for people to write scripts to do things and >>> share them. Is this possible for VO? >>> >>> >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com >>> [mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Olivia Norman >>> Sent: Thursday, June 17, 2010 1:13 AM >>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com >>> Subject: Re: Prospective Mac User >>> >>> What do you feel Freedom Sciencefiction and jaws provide that VO lacks? >>> I'm just curious. >>> "Innovation distinguishes between a leader and a follower" Steve Jobs >>> >>> On Jun 16, 2010, at 4:25 PM, cathyk wrote: >>> >>>> Hi Kolby, >>>> I bought my MacBook Pro about a month ago, and am largely happy. But >>>> there are a few important things to know. 1) VO doesn't work with all >>>> programs, notably MS Word. I was surprised that such an industry >>>> standard requires finding workarounds every time you open a document, >>>> which isn't ideal when doing collaborative writing projects or comment >>>> on hundreds of papers electronically as I do. Whether this is Apple's >>>> or Microsoft's fault, the bottom line is that Word files need to be >>>> "translated" through programs like "Preview" (which comes installed) >>>> or Pages in iworks, which requires laying out another $50 or $60. >>>> Some say the new freeware version of Open Office works better; I >>>> haven't tried, so I'd love to hear from someone who writes and edits a >>>> lot. Even if it works better than the paid version, I suspect other >>>> features get lost - alas, you get what you pay for. 2) the >>>> portability features seem terrific but you should consider which >>>> environments you'll be wanting to access because at least for now the >>>> Mac market is quite small in comparison to PCs, so the number of >>>> computers where your USB settings will work is fairly small. 3) VO is >>>> very good, but it isn't JAWS or ZoomText. Many of us dream of a day >>>> when we can use out-of-the-box technology just like everyone else; >>>> we're much, much closer, but that day isn't there yet. 4) The user >>>> support is limited for VO. This discussion list is excellent, but I >>>> still have a growing list of questions that people can't answer and >>>> that are impossible to look up. Even the in-depth manual isn't *that* >>>> in-depth. This means there's a kind of pioneer spirit to the whole >>>> thing, with people figuring out this and that just like they would >>>> sort out how to repair a wagon wheel a thousand miles from >>>> civilization. That's exciting, hip, and creative, but sometimes you >>>> just want a simple answer to a nagging problem that's still beyond >>>> even the best macvisionaries. All that said, I'm enjoying my new >>>> machine. >>>> Best, >>>> Cathyk >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On Jun 16, 2:10 pm, Pete Nalda <lpna...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>> First off, don't worry about what may be going on at the moment, with the >>> update. Mac OS is still so much easier in general to deal with than windows >>> and its various screen readers. This may not apply for everyone on here but >>> to me the choice was economical. Every time there was a new version of >>> windows, I'd have to purchase a new version ("upgrade") of ZoomText. I got >>> tired of playing that game. Every time I buy a new version of Mac OSX, I get >>> a new version of Zoom *and* VoiceOver :) >>>>> >>>>> On Jun 16, 2010, at 3:21 PM, Kolby Garrison wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Hello Everyone, >>>>>> I am considering purchasing a mac book pro, and I wanted to know what >>> satisfied mac users have to say about the pros and cons of mac and windows. >>> I have been researching voiceover, and it sounds like a very stable screen >>> reading solution. I like the portable preferences feature, and from what I >>> have read thus far I do believe that a mac book pro will be purchased in my >>> very near future. I will go to an apple store for some hands on time with a >>> mac, but if anyone would share your mac experiences with me I would >>> appreciate it. I know that there will be a learning curve going from the >>> windows operating system to the mac operating system, but I am ready and >>> willing to learn all that I can. >>>>>> Thank you, >>>>>> Kolby >>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>> Groups "MacVisionaries" group. >>>>>> To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. >>>>>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>> macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >>>>>> For more options, visit this group >>> athttp://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. >>>>> >>>>> Egun On, Lagunak! 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