I agree with Ray completely—my sentiments precisely!

I wait it out and try to figure out things for myself. Always I appreciate
it when someone admits to being wrong or to making a mistake; and, go on
from there. Heavens I surely do make a lot of mistakes, admit it, and tell
what work-a-rounds or other solutions I've found that do work.

JG

> On Apr 15, 2010, at 4:47 PM, Ray Foret jr wrote:
> >
> >>
> >> While I don't blame people here for criticizing the NFB for its
> initially bad review of Apple's Voice OVer, (a criticism with which I myself
> agree), I must say quite frankly that I do not appreciate continued
> criticism of the NFB after they've made a good effort in the December 2009
> "Braille, monitor" to correct many of their initially incorrect statements.
>  Besides, that's not why I joined this list.  It appears that some of you
> want to criticize the NFB for an initially bad review of Voice Over; but,
> not acknowledge when they admit they made quite a few substantial mistakes
> and openly apologized for them in the Monitor.  IF you make a mistake,
> you've got to be willing to own up that you've made it and try to make good
> what corrections you need to.  No.  The NFB is not perfect; but then again,
> who is?  Apple?  No.  Microsoft?  No.  Me?  No.  You?  no.  Look y'all, they
> made a very big set of mistakes in their June review.  Only a fool would
> deny that.  but, let me remind all of y'all here that in the December
> update, they did correct many of their earlier statements.  Okay.  Maybe not
> all of them, but, enough of them so that I think they deserve credit for
> having owned up to when they were wrong.  But, seems to me like some of
> y'all can't stand to acknowledge that they did make an effort to clean up
> the mess they made.  If that's what this list is going to turn in to, I'm
> out o' here!!!  But, I'd rather think, (at least for the moment), that most
> of the people on this list are better than that.  I'm not saying y'all all
> have to become fans of the NFB.  All I'm saying is lay off.  They did wrong,
> and, they apologized for and made an effort to correct that wrong.  To me,
> when you commit a wrong very publicly, (as in the June "Braille Monitor"),
> and then you just as publicly apologize for it and make efforts to correct
> it, (as in the December "Braille Monitor"), you've got to frankly
> acknowledge that fact; and, whether you like it or not, they did!!!  Let's
> remember that shall we?
> >>
> >> Sincerely,
> >> The Constantly Barefooted Ray!!!!!
> >>
> >> Now A Proud Mac User!!!
> >>
> >> E-Mail:
> >> rforetjr at comcast dot net
> >>
> >> --
>

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