Hi Tim,
I may want the external keyboard anyway, had planned on one because my
hands are finding holding several keys on a single side of the board a bit
of a challenge.
My hopefully better option though will be using voice control with
voiceover for the combinations I find challenging, if I ever find a full
list of commands.
The mouse idea is brilliant, I take it there is a way to keep said mouse
from impacting things by moving?
Thanks,
Kare
On Fri, 10 Jun 2022, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries wrote:
> Hi,
>
> Regarding hearing things when passwords are being entered. That is
> only half correct. There should be a clicking noise that you hear when
> entering a password. The sound is somewhat similar to that of a
> typewriter.
>
> For the sensitivity of the TrackPad, I suggest plugging in a USB
> mouse. You can set it so that the TrackPad is disabled when an
> external TrackPad or mouse is connected to the Mac. This is done in
> System Preferences, Accessibility, Mouse & TrackPad, then the Options
> button. This will save you the headache of that sensitivity and will
> negate the need for an external keyboard.
>
> HTH.
>
> Later…
>
>
> Tim Kilburn
> Jamf Certified Tech
> Apple Professional Learning Specialist
> Apple Teacher
> (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>
> > On Jun 9, 2022, at 20:54, Karen Lewellen <klewel...@shellworld.net>
> > wrote:
> >
> > hi there,
> > yes, the trackpad, which will be fine if it can be made less
> > sensitive to slight touch.
> > i was calling accessibility directly, recalling that others have
> > complained about them of late.
> > Speaking personally, the guy who responded to my being in crisis
> > voiceover wise by questioning why I was using Catalina, is more of
> > a poor training example than too much work.
> > The Female main my apple representative locating details about my
> > nearest Apple store was sensational...even apologizing for the 90
> > minutes I tried to solve the issue before getting mr. why are you
> > using Catalina apple accessibility...and did I share he made it clear
> > he was blind?
> > And also illustrates why I want in-store staff to work with, not just
> > a blind person. speaking personally a shared label does not a shared
> > experience make.
> > My housemate for whom vision is not an issue absolutely loved working
> > with voiceover, because the experience was new and fun.
> > If I can create that in person and in store, I feel a little less
> > separation may result.
> > I respect the password information, but that no feedback is
> > provided while typing is concerning, or at least apple accessibility
> > says I will not hear the keys while I type my password.
> > best,
> > Kare
> >
> >
> >
> > On Thu, 9 Jun 2022, 'E.T.' via MacVisionaries wrote:
> >
> > > Karen,
> > > Just a couple points. Or three. Keep in mind that Apple likely
> > > fields hundreds of calls and emails daily. They try hard to be of
> > > assistance.
> > >
> > > Tour 2012 Mac has no touch bar as later models do. You must be
> > > referring to the track pad. An external keyboard would certainly
> > > help there. Or an external trackpad which then allows disabling the
> > > built in one via a setting.
> > >
> > > If you are prompted for your login password, you can enter it when
> > > prompted. You will get used to it because it is part of the security
> > > scheme Apple has implemented. Yes its annoying but there it is.
> > >
> > > Perhaps you can find a local blind user through a local blind
> > > organization who can come and help? Might be worth a try.
> > >
> > > From E.T.'s Keyboard...
> > > "Those who make peaceful revolution impossible
> > > will make violent revolution inevitable."
> > > --John F. Kennedy
> > > My e-Mail:
> > > ancient.ali...@icloud.com
> > >
> > > On 6/9/2022 6:21 PM, Karen Lewellen wrote:
> > > > hi Tim,
> > > > One of your answers sort of illustrates how off the mark Apple
> > > > accessibility was then.
> > > > they did not reference a need to connect, simply tried, and
> > > > failed, given
> > > > the steps were missing its no wonder.
> > > > we did adjust the basic system audio, finding no startup sound
> > > > checkbox
> > > > either.
> > > > Still knowing about f11 and f12 helps allot, so thanks for that
> > > > as well.
> > > > I have decided to seek an apple store in person because I am
> > > > truly
> > > > hoping there is some way to curb how this machine's touch
> > > > bar...which I
> > > > absolutely hate, react, lower the level of sensitivity.
> > > > My sleeves set the thing off, and it impacts what is happening,
> > > > with my
> > > > being too new at things to get out of what happens. If not I will
> > > > need to
> > > > use an external keyboard, something keeps triggering a request for
> > > > me to
> > > > provide my administrative password, with my not managing to
> > > > find the
> > > > old school apple tutorial under voiceover utilities either.
> > > > its frustrating getting locked into say a folder in a utility,
> > > > following the steps I believe I am hearing, for nothing to work.
> > > > On the other hand it was cool hearing my battery level by using
> > > > vo-m and
> > > > working my way across.
> > > > No idea why I believed the Music app came with big shore, its a
> > > > part of
> > > > Catalina too.
> > > > Anyway we forge forward.
> > > > kare
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > On Thu, 9 Jun 2022, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries wrote:
> > > > > See my responses below in your text.
> > > > > > Later…
> > > > > > > Tim Kilburn
> > > > > Jamf Certified Tech
> > > > > Apple Professional Learning Specialist
> > > > > Apple Teacher
> > > > > (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
> > > > > Fort McMurray, AB Canada
> > > > > > > On Jun 8, 2022, at 17:48, Karen Lewellen
> > > > > > > <klewel...@shellworld.net> > > wrote:
> > > > > > > > Hi,
> > > > > > Not necessarily, at least for my combination of experiences.
> > > > > > If I do, as I plan tomorrow, check the sound effects
> > > > > > sub-menu and a > > means of setting sound as you wisely
> > > > > > share here, I get to establish > > a baseline of sound that
> > > > > > from an auditory processing standpoint > > insures I can say
> > > > > > hear past the tinnitus I have in one ear. I > > already
> > > > > > know my associate states the volume is low.
> > > > > > From what you provide here f-11 and f-12 will adjust the
> > > > > > system volume > > allowing me to make changes, when
> > > > > > wearing headphones, or using a > > speaker, or any number
> > > > > > of situations.
> > > > > > Still, and I am happy to be corrected if wrong, would not
> > > > > > the sound > > return to the level of the computer once
> > > > > > shut down, meaning it > > would not absolutely recall where
> > > > > > I left the f-11 f-12 setting?
> > > > > > TK: The level of volume that was set before restart or
> > > > > > shutdown is > normally the level that it will return to upon
> > > > > > startup the next time.
> > > > > > > again happy to be wrong, but for me personally, better to
> > > > > > > have a sound > > baseline I can adjust then hear nothing
> > > > > > > by mistake.
> > > > > > Will report on the startup checkbox, if my time tomorrow
> > > > > > supports your > > wisdom, I will be sharing that with apple
> > > > > > accessibility.
> > > > > > After all, not only did I provide my apple id, but I shared
> > > > > > the exact > > Catalina edition I use..so no reason for
> > > > > > misinformation.
> > > > > > While I have your ear, what steps must I go through for an
> > > > > > apple
> > > > > > > > accessibility person's effort to see my screen actually
> > > > > > > > work?
> > > > > > They claimed that when tried the system on their side said
> > > > > > they could > > not find my mac...go figure.
> > > > > > TK: They should be able to connect to you either via a
> > > > > > share screen > request through iMessages, or they can send
> > > > > > you a link that you can > connect to through their support
> > > > > > system. If by iMessage, you will need > iMessage set up on
> > > > > > your Mac with either or both of your Apple ID eMail > or
> > > > > > mobile phone number enabled as iMessage usable.
> > > > > > > If there is an additional setting, I would appreciate
> > > > > > > knowing in case > > I have another problem like yesterday.
> > > > > > Thanks,
> > > > > > Karen
> > > > > > > > > > > > On Wed, 8 Jun 2022, 'Tim Kilburn' via
> > > > > > > > > > > > MacVisionaries wrote:
> > > > > > > > > Hi,
> > > > > > > > > > This is being made more complex than it needs to be.
> > > > > > > > > > • System volume is the level of everything. This
> > > > > > > > > > is controlled > > > either by the volume keys, F11
> > > > > > > > > > and F12 for down and up respectively, > > > or you
> > > > > > > > > > can use the VoiceOver command of VO-minus or
> > > > > > > > > > VO-equals. > > > Yes, there is control for this in
> > > > > > > > > > the Sound pane, but that would > > > make your life
> > > > > > > > > > more complicated and there’s no need to go there.
> > > > > > > • the Apple Accessibility representative was mistaken
> > > > > > > for > >
> > > > > > > > Catalina. This checkbox for the Startup Chime is not
> > > > > > > available in > > > Catalina. It was introduced in Big
> > > > > > > Sur.
> > > > > > > • if you currently do not have the Startup Chime, then
> > > > > > > you’ll >
> > > > > > > > > either need to turn up the system volume, which I’ve
> > > > > > > outlined > > > above, use the Terminal command I outlined
> > > > > > > in an earlier post, or, > > > in some cases, you can reset
> > > > > > > the PRAM and it will be heard.
> > > > > > > • to reset the PRAM, turn your Mac off, then wait a few
> > > > > > > seconds, > > > turn it back on and immediately hold down
> > > > > > > cmd+option+r+p. Some > > > finger gymnastics, but
> > > > > > > doable.
> > > > > > > > > > As I mentioned from the beginning, the Startup Chime
> > > > > > > > > > was initially a > > > hardware change, so older Macs
> > > > > > > > > > that originally had the Startup Chime > > > should
> > > > > > > > > > not have lost it in the first place.
> > > > > > > > > > HTH.
> > > > > > > > > > Later…
> > > > > > > > > > Tim Kilburn
> > > > > > > Jamf Certified Tech
> > > > > > > Apple Professional Learning Specialist
> > > > > > > Apple Teacher
> > > > > > > (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
> > > > > > > Fort McMurray, AB Canada
> > > > > > > > > > > On Jun 7, 2022, at 21:08, Karen Lewellen > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > <klewel...@shellworld.net> wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > If Apple accessibility is correct and it is
> > > > > > > > > > > > considered to be a > > > > sound effect,
> > > > > > > > > > > > hopefully there will indeed be a volume for > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > effects in general as e. T. is suggesting.
> > > > > > > > will find out on Thursday.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Tue, 7 Jun 2022, Herbie Allen
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > Actually, with the startup sound, I don’t
> > > > > > > > > > > > > even know if you can > > > > > change the
> > > > > > > > > > > > > volume. Maybe in terminal, but I don’t think I
> > > > > > > > > > > > > can > > > > > even change the volume level of
> > > > > > > > > > > > > VO on the logon Screen that you > > > > > get
> > > > > > > > > > > > > with File Valt and I don’t think I could last
> > > > > > > > > > > > > time I had >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > it in recovery mode, though that was a
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > while back
> > > > > > > > > > > > > so I could be > > > > > wrong on that one.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Jun 7, 2022, at 21:21, Karen Lewellen >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <klewel...@shellworld.net> wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am not interested in doing this in the
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > terminal, although I > > > > > > imagine
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Johnathan's information will help someone.
> > > > > > > > > > Instead I am interested in where the settings for
> > > > > > > > > > system > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > volume are located.
> > > > > > > > > > I intend on Thursday to have sighted help adjust
> > > > > > > > > > this setting, > > > > > > I am not solid enough in
> > > > > > > > > > voiceover as of yet to do this, we > > > > > > are
> > > > > > > > > > still optimizing my computer for my use.
> > > > > > > > > > Karen
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Tue, 7 Jun
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 2022, 'Tim
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Kilburn' via
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > MacVisionaries
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi,
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You can use:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sudo nvram StartupMute=%00
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > To enable the startup chime on a Mac
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > where it has been > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > muted. Remember that in Terminal,
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > when you use the > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > “sudo” command, you will be asked
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to enter your password > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > if you’re an Admin of
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the computer. There
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > will be no > > > > > > > audio
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > feedback when entering this password
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in Terminal like > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > you would here in regular
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > situations. If you’re
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > not in an > > > > > > > Admin
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > account, you will not be able to use
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > this command.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > HTH.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Later…
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Tim Kilburn
> > > > > > > > > > > Jamf Certified Tech
> > > > > > > > > > > Apple Professional Learning Specialist
> > > > > > > > > > > Apple Teacher
> > > > > > > > > > > (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
> > > > > > > > > > > Fort McMurray, AB Canada
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Jun 7, 2022, at 16:24, Jonathan
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > C. Cohn > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <jon.c.c...@gmail.com>
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On mac's that do not have
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > startup chime, you can still > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > enable it in the
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > terminal app with a command that
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > examines > > > > > > > > and
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > changes nvram settings for the
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > computer. I think it > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > might have been Alex Hall that
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > posted the recipe to turn > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > this on. Or perhaps a
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > man --- c nvram will pull up the
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sntax. My mac is
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > a couple 100 miles away so can't
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > be very > > > > > > > > specific.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sent from my iPhone
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Jun 7, 2022, at 5:59 PM,
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 'Tim Kilburn' via > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > MacVisionaries
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi,
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If your volume is set low,
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > then, yes, the startup chime >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > will
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > normally be set low as well.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Are you saying that > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > when you restart, or
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > startup your computer
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > from scratch, > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > you do not hear any
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > startup chime?
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Later…
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Tim
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Kilburn
> > > > > > > > > > > > > Jamf Certified Tech
> > > > > > > > > > > > > Apple Professional Learning Specialist
> > > > > > > > > > > > > Apple Teacher
> > > > > > > > > > > > > (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
> > > > > > > > > > > > > Fort McMurray, AB Canada
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Jun 7, 2022, at 15:51,
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Karen Lewellen > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <klewel...@shellworld.net
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <mailto:klewel...@shellworld.net>>
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi Tim,
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > My understanding is that this is the very
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > last Mac os >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > before big shore,
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > which may be why
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > the sound is > > > > > > > > > > missing.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > As i am profoundly new to all this, I want
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > to insure I >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > have it, was never a
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > windows user so
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > all this boot > > > > > > > > > > time makes
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > me crazy laughs.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > What about turning up the sound if needful?
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Kare
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Tue,
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 7
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jun
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 2022,
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 'Tim
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Kilburn'
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > via
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > MacVisionaries
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi,
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The startup chime
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > was a computer
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > specific item in > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > model of Mac. That
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is, the startup chime
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > should
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > still work
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > normally on
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > device without > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > any
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > intervention in System
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Preferences. I’m >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > willing
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