On Jun 8, 2022, at 17:48, Karen Lewellen <klewel...@shellworld.net> > > wrote:
Hi,
Not necessarily, at least for my combination of experiences.
If I do, as I plan tomorrow, check the sound effects sub-menu and a > > means of setting sound
as you wisely share here, I get to establish > > a baseline of sound that from an auditory
processing standpoint > > insures I can say hear past the tinnitus I have in one ear. I >
> already know my associate states the volume is low.
From what you provide here f-11 and f-12 will adjust the system volume > > allowing
me to make changes, when wearing headphones, or using a > > speaker, or any number
of situations.
Still, and I am happy to be corrected if wrong, would not the sound > > return to
the level of the computer once shut down, meaning it > > would not absolutely
recall where I left the f-11 f-12 setting?
TK: The level of volume that was set before restart or shutdown is >
normally the level that it will return to upon startup the next time.
again happy to be wrong, but for me personally, better to have a sound > >
baseline I can adjust then hear nothing by mistake.
Will report on the startup checkbox, if my time tomorrow supports your > >
wisdom, I will be sharing that with apple accessibility.
After all, not only did I provide my apple id, but I shared the exact > >
Catalina edition I use..so no reason for misinformation.
While I have your ear, what steps must I go through for an apple > >
accessibility person's effort to see my screen actually work?
They claimed that when tried the system on their side said they could > >
not find my mac...go figure.
TK: They should be able to connect to you either via a share screen > request through
iMessages, or they can send you a link that you can > connect to through their support
system. If by iMessage, you will need > iMessage set up on your Mac with either or
both of your Apple ID eMail > or mobile phone number enabled as iMessage usable.
If there is an additional setting, I would appreciate knowing in case > > I
have another problem like yesterday.
Thanks,
Karen
On Wed, 8 Jun 2022, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries wrote:
Hi,
This is being made more complex than it needs to be.
??? System volume is the level of everything. This is controlled > > > either by the volume keys, F11
and F12 for down and up respectively, > > > or you can use the VoiceOver command of VO-minus or
VO-equals. > > > Yes, there is control for this in the Sound pane, but that would > > > make
your life more complicated and there???s no need to go there.
??? the Apple Accessibility representative was mistaken for > > > Catalina. This
checkbox for the Startup Chime is not available in > > > Catalina. It was introduced
in Big Sur.
??? if you currently do not have the Startup Chime, then you???ll > > > either need to turn up
the system volume, which I???ve outlined > > > above, use the Terminal command I outlined in an
earlier post, or, > > > in some cases, you can reset the PRAM and it will be heard.
??? to reset the PRAM, turn your Mac off, then wait a few seconds, > > > turn it back
on and immediately hold down cmd+option+r+p. Some > > > finger gymnastics, but doable.
As I mentioned from the beginning, the Startup Chime was initially a > > > hardware
change, so older Macs that originally had the Startup Chime > > > should not have lost
it in the first place.
HTH.
Later???
Tim Kilburn
Jamf Certified Tech
Apple Professional Learning Specialist
Apple Teacher
(with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
Fort McMurray, AB Canada
On Jun 7, 2022, at 21:08, Karen Lewellen > > > > <klewel...@shellworld.net>
wrote:
If Apple accessibility is correct and it is considered to be a > > > > sound effect,
hopefully there will indeed be a volume for > > > > effects in general as e. T. is
suggesting.
will find out on Thursday.
On Tue, 7 Jun 2022, Herbie Allen wrote:
Actually, with the startup sound, I don???t even know if you can > > > > > change the volume. Maybe in terminal, but I don???t think I
can > > > > > even change the volume level of VO on the logon Screen that you > > > > > get with File Valt and I don???t
think I could last time I had > > > > > it in recovery mode, though that was a while back so I could be > > > > > wrong on
that one.
On Jun 7, 2022, at 21:21, Karen Lewellen > > > > > >
<klewel...@shellworld.net> wrote:
I am not interested in doing this in the terminal, although I > > > > > >
imagine Johnathan's information will help someone.
Instead I am interested in where the settings for system > > > > > > volume
are located.
I intend on Thursday to have sighted help adjust this setting, > > > > > > I am not solid
enough in voiceover as of yet to do this, we > > > > > > are still optimizing my computer for my
use.
Karen
On Tue, 7 Jun 2022, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries wrote:
Hi,
You can use:
sudo nvram StartupMute=%00
To enable the startup chime on a Mac where it has been > > > > > > > muted. Remember that in Terminal, when you use the > > > > > > > ???sudo??? command, you
will be asked to enter your password > > > > > > > if you???re an Admin of the computer. There will be no > > > > > > > audio feedback when entering this
password in Terminal like > > > > > > > you would here in regular situations. If you???re not in an > > > > > > > Admin account, you will not be able to use this
command.
HTH.
Later???
Tim Kilburn
Jamf Certified Tech
Apple Professional Learning Specialist
Apple Teacher
(with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
Fort McMurray, AB Canada
On Jun 7, 2022, at 16:24, Jonathan C. Cohn > > > > > > > >
<jon.c.c...@gmail.com> wrote:
On mac's that do not have startup chime, you can still > > > > > > > > enable it in the terminal app with a command that examines > > > > > > > > and changes nvram settings
for the computer. I think it > > > > > > > > might have been Alex Hall that posted the recipe to turn > > > > > > > > this on. Or perhaps a man --- c nvram will pull up
the > > > > > > > > sntax. My mac is a couple 100 miles away so can't be very > > > > > > > > specific.
Sent from my iPhone
On Jun 7, 2022, at 5:59 PM, 'Tim Kilburn' via > > > > > > > > > MacVisionaries
<macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> wrote:
???Hi,
If your volume is set low, then, yes, the startup chime > > > > > > > > > will normally be set low as well. Are you saying that
> > > > > > > > > when you restart, or startup your computer from scratch, > > > > > > > > > you do not
hear any startup chime?
Later???
Tim Kilburn
Jamf Certified Tech
Apple Professional Learning Specialist
Apple Teacher
(with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
Fort McMurray, AB Canada
On Jun 7, 2022, at 15:51, Karen Lewellen > > > > > > > > > > <klewel...@shellworld.net > > > > > >
> > > > <mailto:klewel...@shellworld.net>> wrote:
Hi Tim,
My understanding is that this is the very last Mac os > > > > > > > > > > before big shore, which may be
why the sound is > > > > > > > > > > missing.
As i am profoundly new to all this, I want to insure I > > > > > > > > > > have it, was never a windows
user so all this boot > > > > > > > > > > time makes me crazy laughs.
What about turning up the sound if needful?
Kare
On Tue, 7 Jun 2022, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries > > > > > > > > > >
wrote:
Hi,
The startup chime was a computer specific item in > > > > > > > > > > > that model of Mac. That is, the startup chime > > > > > > > > > > > should still work normally on that device without > > >
> > > > > > > > any intervention in System Preferences. I???m > > > > > > > > > > > willing to be corrected, but I also believe that the > > > > > > > > > > > checkbox that they???re
speaking of was not present > > > > > > > > > > > in Catalina, only Big Sur and newer.
No, it will not make that sound upon opening the lid > > > > > > > > > > > as it is a chime that is sounded as part of the boot > > > > > > > > > > > process. In older Macs, before it was removed, it >
> > > > > > > > > > doubled as kind of a system check. If you heard > > > > > > > > > > > that noise, then the hardware was OK, and it should > > > > > > > > > > > proceed to
bring up the MacOS, unless the drive was > > > > > > > > > > > a problem.
HTH.
Later???
Tim Kilburn
Jamf Certified Tech
Apple Professional Learning Specialist
Apple Teacher
(with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
Fort McMurray, AB Canada
On Jun 7, 2022, at 15:35, Karen Lewellen > > > > > > > > > > > > <klewel...@shellworld.net > > > > > >
> > > > > > <mailto:klewel...@shellworld.net>> wrote:
hi everyone,
I have a mid 2012 15 inch macbook pro retina now > > > > > > > > > > > >
running os 10.15.7 Catalina.
I recall the discussion about the apple start up > > > > > > > > > > > > sound being removed, was told by apple > > > > > > > > > > > > accessibility that this is corrected by >
> > > > > > > > > > > accessing system preferences, sound, sound > > > > > > > > > > > > effects, and making sure there is a checkbox > > > > > > > > > > >
> beside start up sound.
What I do not recall though is how one insures the > > > > > > > > > > > > start up sound volume is turned up,
something I > > > > > > > > > > > > want to know just in case.
Also, if the start up sound is provided, does it > > > > > > > > > > > > also happen when awakening the mac,
opening the > > > > > > > > > > > > lid?
Thanks,
Karen
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