System volume is under Output.

> On Jun 7, 2022, at 21:17, Karen Lewellen <klewel...@shellworld.net> wrote:
> 
> what I am still missing is where one changes the system volume itself.
> I understand that about voiceover volume, but the start up sound is a system 
> volume effect,  and unless I missed a post, the details for adjusting system 
> volume have not been shared?
> Karen
> 
> 
> 
> On Tue, 7 Jun 2022, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries wrote:
> 
>> Hi,
>> 
>> Basically, sound  effects are at the same volume as the system.  So, if you 
>> have your volume set to 50%, then the sound effects will also be played at 
>> 50%.  VoiceOver has its own level that is changed with the system volume, 
>> but it depends on where VO volume is set to begin with.  For example, you 
>> can use the rotor to decrease the volume of VO in reference to the system 
>> volume.  Pressing VO-cmd-shift-left or right until you hear VO announce 
>> “Volume”, then keeping the VO-cmd-shift keys down and pressing the down or 
>> up volume will only change the VoiceOver volume.  Thus, you can change the 
>> VO volume to, let’s say, 40%, and it will not affect the sound effects or 
>> other media volumes.  Turning up or down the system volume will change the 
>> VO volume relative, but it will stay at 40% of the system volume.
>> 
>> I hope that this makes sense.
>> 
>> Later…
>> 
>> 
>> Tim Kilburn
>> Jamf Certified Tech
>> Apple Professional Learning Specialist
>> Apple Teacher
>> (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>> 
>>> On Jun 7, 2022, at 16:17, Karen Lewellen <klewel...@shellworld.net> wrote:
>>> 
>>> yes, that is exactly what I am saying.
>>> And  I wish to also know where system sound effects volume is managed, as I 
>>> dare say it differs from say voiceover volume.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On Tue, 7 Jun 2022, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries wrote:
>>> 
>>>> Hi,
>>>> 
>>>> If your volume is set low, then, yes, the startup chime will normally be 
>>>> set low as well.  Are you saying that when you restart, or startup your 
>>>> computer from scratch, you do not hear any startup chime?
>>>> 
>>>> Later…
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> Tim Kilburn
>>>> Jamf Certified Tech
>>>> Apple Professional Learning Specialist
>>>> Apple Teacher
>>>> (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
>>>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>>>> 
>>>>> On Jun 7, 2022, at 15:51, Karen Lewellen <klewel...@shellworld.net> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> Hi Tim,
>>>>> My understanding is that this is the very last Mac os before big shore, 
>>>>> which   may be why the sound is missing.
>>>>> As i am profoundly new to all this, I want to insure I have it, was never 
>>>>> a windows user so all this boot time makes me crazy laughs.
>>>>> What about turning up the sound if needful?
>>>>> Kare
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> On Tue, 7 Jun 2022, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>>> Hi,
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> The startup chime was a computer specific item in that model of Mac.  
>>>>>> That is, the startup chime should still work normally on that device 
>>>>>> without any intervention in System Preferences.  I’m willing to be 
>>>>>> corrected, but I also believe that the checkbox that they’re speaking of 
>>>>>> was not present in Catalina, only Big Sur and newer.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> No, it will not make that sound upon opening the lid as it is a chime 
>>>>>> that is sounded as part of the boot process.  In older Macs, before it 
>>>>>> was removed, it doubled as kind of a system check.  If you heard that 
>>>>>> noise, then the hardware was OK, and it should proceed to bring up the 
>>>>>> MacOS, unless the drive was a problem.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> HTH.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Later…
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Tim Kilburn
>>>>>> Jamf Certified Tech
>>>>>> Apple Professional Learning Specialist
>>>>>> Apple Teacher
>>>>>> (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
>>>>>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> On Jun 7, 2022, at 15:35, Karen Lewellen <klewel...@shellworld.net> 
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> hi everyone,
>>>>>>> I have a mid 2012 15 inch macbook pro retina now running os 10.15.7 
>>>>>>> Catalina.
>>>>>>> I recall  the discussion about the apple start up sound being removed, 
>>>>>>> was told by apple accessibility that this is corrected  by accessing 
>>>>>>> system preferences, sound, sound effects, and making sure there is a 
>>>>>>> checkbox beside start up sound.
>>>>>>> What I do not recall though is how one insures the start up sound 
>>>>>>> volume is turned up,  something I want to know just in case.
>>>>>>> Also, if the start up sound is  provided, does it also happen when 
>>>>>>> awakening the mac, opening the lid?
>>>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>>> Karen
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
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