I find that Braille on the Mac still difficult. Lot’s of interacting, and then the Cursor isn’t reflected on the Braille display as you get with Jaws. If Braille was good on the Mac then I’d use my Braille display with it as well as windows.
> On 17 Sep 2021, at 19:18, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries > <Macvisionaries@Googlegroups.com> wrote: > > Hi, > > PDFPen and PDFPen Pro are also great accessible pdf apps on the Mac. They’re > not free, of course, but usually do a great job. > > Later… > > > Tim Kilburn > Jamf Certified Tech > Apple Professional Learning Specialist > Apple Teacher > (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition) > Fort McMurray, AB Canada > >> On Sep 17, 2021, at 12:17 PM, Herbie Allen <herbie.al...@gmail.com >> <mailto:herbie.al...@gmail.com>> wrote: >> >> If you have trouble with Preview, Give Adobe a try for Mac. I’ve also had >> good luck with Chrome. >> >>> On Sep 17, 2021, at 12:58, Mary Otten <motte...@gmail.com >>> <mailto:motte...@gmail.com>> wrote: >>> >>> For me, the reason I don’t use a Mac anymore has to do with PDF files and >>> web usage. I found PDFs really difficult to deal with except the short and >>> super simple ones, and in my view, voiceover just doesn’t cut it as >>> compared to windows screen readers with various browsers. It gets busy and >>> goes in circles etc. Now I haven’t had a Mac in a couple of years. But I >>> always keep asking about PDF, and so far, crickets. So no voiceover and Mac >>> for me anymore. >>> >>> Sent from my iPhone >>> >>>> On Sep 17, 2021, at 8:50 AM, skipper8...@gmail.com >>>> <mailto:skipper8...@gmail.com>wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>> Yes, the Victor Reader still uses SD Cards. >>>> I was thinking back to my college days. >>>> I will not be convinced that the Mac can replace Windows until OCR is >>>> included in VoiceOver by default much like we may see in IOS15. >>>> I was trying to ask questions that the article did not address. >>>> I think I have unreasonable expectations for the Mac though given that >>>> Windows doesn’t allow you to answer calls as seamlessly as the Mac can. >>>> If Apple would only add the same features from IOS to the Mac the OS would >>>> be even better i.e. include the OCR recognition and improve the catalyst >>>> app experience. >>>> >>>> >>>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com >>>> <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com><macvisionaries@googlegroups.com >>>> <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of Herbie Allen >>>> Sent: Friday, September 17, 2021 11:44 AM >>>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com >>>> <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> >>>> Subject: Re: [tech-vi Announce List] From iPhone Arena :5 Reasons to >>>> Choose a Mac as a Blind Student >>>> >>>> I’m confused with some of your questions but I will give it a go. First, I >>>> know there are some OcR solutions with the Mac but I have not dealt with >>>> them since like you said, the phone can handle that. As for Kindle, is it >>>> any better on Windows? You can always get Alexa to read those as well. >>>> There is a Learning Ally app for the phone. Unzipping, are you talking >>>> about the Mac or phone? It’s a piece of cake on the Mac, do a command O >>>> on the Zip file, and it will create a new folder with all the content. >>>> PDF’s, you have Preview, Chrome, or Adobe as options to pursue. Preview >>>> comes as part of the Mac and is usable. As for the Victor,, do they still >>>> use SD cards? >>>> >>>> >>>> On Sep 17, 2021, at 04:08, skipper8...@gmail.com >>>> <mailto:skipper8...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>> >>>> The only problem I see with this analysis is lack of support for the >>>> Kindle eReader and OCR out of the box but the iPhone can take care of that. >>>> Is it possible to use Learning Ally materials on an iPhone? >>>> What about unzipping Bookshare books or transferring NLS materials to a >>>> Victor Reader Stream? >>>> What about reading PDF files? >>>> >>>> From: tech...@groups.io <mailto:tech...@groups.io> <tech...@groups.io >>>> <mailto:tech...@groups.io>> On Behalf Of David Goldfield >>>> Sent: Friday, September 17, 2021 2:29 AM >>>> To: tech...@groups.iotv <mailto:tech...@groups.iotv> <tech...@groups.io >>>> <mailto:tech...@groups.io>> >>>> Subject: [tech-vi Announce List] From iPhone Arena :5 Reasons to Choose a >>>> Mac as a Blind Student >>>> >>>> iPhoneArena - Monday, September 13, 2021 at 5:14 PM >>>> 5 Reasons to Choose a Mac as a Blind Student >>>> >>>> 5 Reasons why a Mac Is a Great choice for a Blind Student >>>> >>>> If you live with sight loss, going to a new college or university can >>>> bring a host of new experiences and challenges. Stressing over your >>>> assistive technology should not be one of them. The inevitable question >>>> will arise: What computing platform should you choose for your academics? >>>> Mac <https://www.apple.com/ke/mac/>or Windows >>>> <https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/default.aspx>? >>>> If you’re blind, in a hurry and want to get to the meat of this article, >>>> the correct choice is a Mac. Now here’s why. >>>> 1. Cost vs. Benefits >>>> >>>> If you’re a time-crunched student who has to sort out accessible books, >>>> travel, classes and other school concerns, you want a computer that saves >>>> you time. Macs do this by bundling all of the needed software with the >>>> machine. In addition to VoiceOver and Zoom, Macs come with built-in >>>> productivity tools such as Pages, Numbers and Keynote. These apps are >>>> accessible right away and there’s no need to install anything else to get >>>> them to work with the assistive technology. >>>> The trade-off is cost. Yes, Macs can be more expensive in the short term, >>>> but the alternative is buying a PC, paying for an installing a screen >>>> reader, paying for and installing productivity apps and configuring the >>>> machine to your liking. When all is said and done, you may actually lose >>>> time installing and configuring extra software whereas with a Mac >>>> <https://iphonearena.com/category/mac/>, you can simply turn the machine >>>> on and start working right away. >>>> 2. The Apple Ecosystem >>>> >>>> When you buy any Apple product, you’re jumping into the Apple ecosystem. >>>> Macs, iPhones, Air Pods, Home Pods and iCloud all work together >>>> seamlessly. This is another time saver if you’re a blind student looking >>>> to have everything work the first time with no let downs. This not only >>>> lets you focus on your studies, but you are creating an ecosystem of >>>> products that can grow as you purchase Apple products down the road. >>>> 3. Low Maintenance >>>> >>>> It’s 2 in the morning and you’ve got a major paper due in 7 hours. As >>>> you’re settling into your writing flow, do you want to be interrupted with >>>> reminders to defragment your hard drive, scan for viruses and check for >>>> malware? Macs are known for their easy-to-use interfaces and low >>>> maintenance requirements. When you’re in school, you don’t need the extra >>>> distraction. >>>> Further, VoiceOver gets updated when macOS does, so there is no need to >>>> worry about installing drivers, patches or fixes. VoiceOver will even >>>> recognize refreshable braille displays simply by plugging them into your >>>> Mac. >>>> 4. Interoperability >>>> >>>> In the past, blind students often had to rely on specialized (and ugly) >>>> equipment to take notes or use a calculator. Today, the most inexpensive >>>> Mac can do all of this and much more. The days of specialized and >>>> expensive equipment for the blind student is over. Today, it’s easy to >>>> collaborate with classmates on a Pages document, exchange Excel and >>>> PowerPoint slides with a teacher or even share musical ideas in Garage >>>> Band. >>>> 5. Performance >>>> >>>> If you’re a blind student, having a computer that just works can make the >>>> difference between missing a deadline for a term paper and handing it in >>>> before everyone else. Macs break down less often, have rock solid security >>>> features and are extremely fast and responsive. VoiceOver users can easily >>>> and quickly use large spreadsheets, write code or even edit audio without >>>> freezing or laggy performance. This can often make you the most efficient >>>> Mac user in the class. >>>> Macs are the right choice for the blind student who simply wants to get >>>> work done without having to worry about the technology hindering their >>>> academic performance. 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