Interesting reading. And btw, the limitations for streaming lossless with Airplay and Apple Music, lie with Apple Music in this case. Airplay is able to stream lossless audio, to a certain degree of course, but Apple Music doesn’t support it (yet). Very weird. Hopefully the Apple Music app will arrive on more devices indeed.
Ronald > Op 16 jun. 2021, om 19:41 heeft 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries > <macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> het volgende geschreven: > > Hi Ronald, > > You’re most welcome. Yes, modifying the decoder within the AirPlay or > AirPlay 2 protocol would be a great solution. It would be interesting if > Apple made the Apple Music app available to be installed on sound systems in > the way that they made Apple TV installable on some smart TV’s. This would > make things extremely easy in my opinion. I know that Spotify is available > on my AV receiver, so if Apple Music was available as well, then the whole > Apple TV connection may not be needed. > > Regarding the Chrome Cast vs AirPlay question, there’s advantages and > disadvantages to both devices. Of course, it likely depends on your use > case, your adoption of one eco-system vs the other, and other factors. > Here’s an article where one person gives there opinion on the benefits and > drawbacks of each. > > https://www.allhomerobotics.com/airplay-vs-chromecast-which-one/ > <https://www.allhomerobotics.com/airplay-vs-chromecast-which-one/> > > Remember, this is only the opinion of this fellow and we all have our own > biases. > > Later… > > > Tim Kilburn > Jamf Certified Tech > Apple Professional Learning Specialist > Apple Teacher > (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition) > Fort McMurray, AB Canada > >> On Jun 16, 2021, at 10:46 AM, Ronald van Rhijn <pa...@xs4all.nl >> <mailto:pa...@xs4all.nl>> wrote: >> >> Hi Tim, >> >> Many thanks for all your information, really appreciate it! >> So I have to run the Apple Music app on Apple TV 4k and send the audio >> through a hdmi cable to the audio device. That figures, it is a bit >> cumbersome to have to do it this way though. >> There’s hope that Apple will fix this lossless to lossy stream, because >> Airplay is able to stream lossless after all. >> The audio device isn’t a normal receiver, its a complete music-system. So I >> definately have to check for hdmi ports on that. >> On another note, i cannot get why Apple only offers Airplay. I prefer the >> way Chromecast does it, it gets its own signal from the internet. >> >> Anyways, thanks again. >> >> Ronald >> >> >> Op 16 jun. 2021, om 17:48 heeft 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries >> <macvisionaries@googlegroups.com <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> >> het volgende geschreven: >>> >>> Hi, >>> >>> The Apple TV has to be the device sending the music to the receiver. If >>> you AirPlay from your iPhone to the Apple TV, then it is the iPhone that is >>> in control, and thus you are essentially using AirPlay to deal with the >>> music, and AirPlay which then limits the bandwidth. The Apple TV 4K is >>> perfectly accessible and supports Siri, thus you can ask music to be played >>> via the Siri remote for the Apple TV. As long as the receiver has HDMI >>> input, you’re good to go. There’s no need to connect a TV for the video >>> when playing music. There are ways of using your iPhone as a remote for >>> the Apple TV, but it’s not really that necessary with the Siri remote. >>> >>> I would say that all AV modern receivers would have HDMI inputs and >>> outputs, but if it’s not an AV receiver that you’re interested in, then >>> you’ll need to confirm. >>> >>> Later… >>> >>> >>> Tim Kilburn >>> Jamf Certified Tech >>> Apple Professional Learning Specialist >>> Apple Teacher >>> (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition) >>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada >>> >>>> On Jun 16, 2021, at 9:30 AM, Ronald van Rhijn <pa...@xs4all.nl >>>> <mailto:pa...@xs4all.nl>> wrote: >>>> >>>> Hi Tim, >>>> >>>> Thanks. That was something where I feared for. I honestly don’t know if >>>> the music system which I am interested in has any hdmi ports, but even if >>>> it does and I get an Apple TV 4k for this, how do I control Apple Music? >>>> From the Apple TV or from my iPhone too? The latter is my preferred method. >>>> >>>> Ronald >>>> >>>> >>>>> Op 16 jun. 2021, om 17:12 heeft 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries >>>>> <macvisionaries@googlegroups.com >>>>> <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> het volgende geschreven: >>>>> >>>>> Hi Ronald, >>>>> >>>>> According to this post: >>>>> >>>>> https://discussions.apple.com/thread/252848734 >>>>> <https://discussions.apple.com/thread/252848734> >>>>> >>>>> Both AirPlay and AirPlay 2 can actually handle lossless, but for some >>>>> reason, the AirPlay signal is converted/compressed thus it will not be >>>>> lossless by the time it reaches your receiver. >>>>> >>>>> The best way to get lossless audio as well as Dolby Atmos is to use an >>>>> Apple TV 4K connected via HDMI to the receiver. If your system supports >>>>> it, lossless and Dolby Atmos will be passed through to the receiver from >>>>> the Apple TV 4K using this setup. >>>>> >>>>> Later… >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Tim Kilburn >>>>> Jamf Certified Tech >>>>> Apple Professional Learning Specialist >>>>> Apple Teacher >>>>> (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition) >>>>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada >>>>> >>>>>> On Jun 16, 2021, at 9:02 AM, Ronald van Rhijn <pa...@xs4all.nl >>>>>> <mailto:pa...@xs4all.nl>> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> hello, >>>>>> >>>>>> You are probably right there Tim, in being the track your are playing >>>>>> should be in lossless if you have this setting enabled. The problem is >>>>>> not every track is available in lossless yet, about 20 million Apple >>>>>> says. And by the end of the year they should all be. >>>>>> I want to be absolutely sure my favourite music is or will be in >>>>>> lossless, since I also use Qobuz for this reason (which is not >>>>>> accessible enough and double the price of Apple Music). >>>>>> Another issue with Apple Music could be when playing on a high end music >>>>>> system. Apple Music only lets you connect through Airplay (if supported) >>>>>> and I don’t know if Airplay supports lossless audio. >>>>>> >>>>>> best, >>>>>> Ronald >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>> Op 15 jun. 2021, om 22:22 heeft 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries >>>>>>> <macvisionaries@googlegroups.com >>>>>>> <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> het volgende geschreven: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Hi, >>>>>>> >>>>>>> As far as I can tell, if you’re listening to the Apple Music version of >>>>>>> a title, it will be lossless if you’ve set your device to play >>>>>>> lossless. There are other considerations as well. See this article: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT212183 >>>>>>> <https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT212183> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Also, for an interesting read on the whole lossless, spacial audio >>>>>>> realm, check out the article below: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> https://www.gsmarena.com/understanding_lossless_highresolution_and_spatial_audio-news-49490.php >>>>>>> >>>>>>> <https://www.gsmarena.com/understanding_lossless_highresolution_and_spatial_audio-news-49490.php> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Later… >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Tim Kilburn >>>>>>> Jamf Certified Tech >>>>>>> Apple Professional Learning Specialist >>>>>>> Apple Teacher >>>>>>> (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition) >>>>>>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Jun 15, 2021, at 12:06 PM, Ronald van Rhijn <pa...@xs4all.nl >>>>>>>> <mailto:pa...@xs4all.nl>> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Will do., although lossless is most important to me. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> thanks, >>>>>>>> Ronald >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Op 15 jun. 2021, om 19:57 heeft 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries >>>>>>>>> <macvisionaries@googlegroups.com >>>>>>>>> <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> het volgende geschreven: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Ronald, >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> In the Music app, in Apple Music, select the Browse tab. If your >>>>>>>>> device supports it, there are spacial audio playlists there for you >>>>>>>>> to check out. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Later… >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Tim Kilburn >>>>>>>>> Jamf Certified Tech >>>>>>>>> Apple Professional Learning Specialist >>>>>>>>> Apple Teacher >>>>>>>>> (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition) >>>>>>>>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> On Jun 15, 2021, at 11:55 AM, Ronald van Rhijn <pa...@xs4all.nl >>>>>>>>>> <mailto:pa...@xs4all.nl>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Hi Patrick, >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Ok you came across some playlists marked with the word spatial >>>>>>>>>> audio, that’s good to know. The word Spatial, was that in the name >>>>>>>>>> of the playlist or an additional tag? >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Ronald >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Op 15 jun. 2021, om 19:47 heeft Patrick Ford <xplorer1...@gmail.com >>>>>>>>>>> <mailto:xplorer1...@gmail.com>> het volgende geschreven: >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Hi, I have noticed that there are a number of playlists designed by >>>>>>>>>>> Apple that are marked with the words spatial audio. These lists >>>>>>>>>>> cover a wide variety of genres. I have also noticed that when you >>>>>>>>>>> select lossless files in your preferences all the music which has >>>>>>>>>>> not been downloaded will play in this format. >>>>>>>>>>> The bummer for me is that, unless I am misunderstanding, you cannot >>>>>>>>>>> appreciate the spatial audio unless you are wearing a headset and I >>>>>>>>>>> think certain TV's. 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