Done. Thanks Scott. And Christina, don't be surprised if you gat a brand new 'address book' in the mail. :)
mani On Mar 19, 5:24 am, Scott Howell <scottn3...@gmail.com> wrote: > accessibil...@apple.com is the address where you can send any and all issues > related to VoiceOver or any accessibility features of Apple products. > On Mar 18, 2010, at 10:23 PM, mani wrote: > > > > > I think this is inconsistent with the general VO behavior and should > > be reported as a bug to Apple. > > What would be the best way to reach this to Apple? > > > Thanks, > > mani > > > On Mar 18, 7:55 pm, Christina <blindmaclo...@gmail.com> wrote: > >> Thanks so much. I got it to work now thanks to you. If I don't use the > >> vo keys, per your instructions, to change the date, then it works great. > >> While in the month field I get zero feedback but while in the day or year > >> areas I do get feedback from voiceover. That is much more workable then > >> the way I was trying to do this before your help. Thanks. That makes > >> life soooo much easier. > > >> Christina > >> On Mar 18, 2010, at 2:19 PM, Slau Halatyn wrote: > > >>> Hi Christina, > > >>> OK, I misunderstood your question and assumed that, when you were > >>> speaking of birthday fields, you were speaking about iCal. I now > >>> understand that you're referring to Address Book instead. > > >>> OK, this is a complicated explanation. I'll try to make it as clear as I > >>> can. Sit back and enjoy the bumpy ride… > > >>> Address Book definitely has a bug in that VoiceOver often doesn't echo > >>> typing and deletion of characters within a field. One has to type without > >>> feedback and move away and back to double check the input. > > >>> When editing a birthday field, first, make sure you're actually editing > >>> the card rather than browsing the contact's scroll area and simply > >>> interacting with the card's information. Again, I must stress the > >>> difference. Command'l is the shortcut for editing a card. > > >>> Now, assuming you've already added the birthday field, navigate to the > >>> field and interact with it. Make a mental note of the month. If I'm not > >>> mistaken, by default, the active field will be the month and the date > >>> will say December 31, 2000. In this case, use only your up or down arrow > >>> key to change the value. The up arrow will move the month forward like > >>> from december to January and the down arrow will move it back like from > >>> December to November, for example. Now, remember, you probably won't get > >>> any feedback. You'll probably hear the year but don't assume that the > >>> active keyboard focus is on the year field. > > >>> When you've changed the month to what you think is correct, use only the > >>> right arrow key to go to the day field and then use only the up or down > >>> key to set the day. Repeat this for the year as well. Alternatively, you > >>> can try simply typing the value and not use the arrow keys. Sometimes > >>> that seems to work well but you might find yourself typing the wrong > >>> thing in the wrong field. > > >>> To check your entry, don't stop interacting or that will throw you out of > >>> the scroll area. Instead, simply use Control-Option-left arrow to move > >>> left and then use Control-Option-right arrow to read the date field. > > >>> Now, an important thing to remember is that, once you've interacted with > >>> the date field and have changed values and subsequently used VO-left > >>> arrow to move away and back to check the date, when you once again > >>> interact, you'll be on the last field you edited and not necessarily the > >>> month field like you were in when you first interacted at the outset. > >>> Does that make sense? > > >>> In other words, you interacted the first time and the focus was on the > >>> month. You used the arrow keys to set the month, the right arrow key to > >>> move to day, the up and down arrows (or just typing) to set the day, > >>> right arrow to move to the year and set the year with what ever method > >>> you chose. Then you pressed VO-left arrow to move away and then VO-right > >>> arrow to move back. Let's say you needed to adjust the day field. When > >>> you again interact with the date field you'll be on the year because > >>> that's where you were the last time you interacted and that's where the > >>> keyboard focus is. So you now have to use the left arrow key to move back > >>> to the day field. Hopefully that explains the initial concept. > > >>> Now, if you use other keys to navigate, like Tab, all bets are off on its > >>> behavior. I'd assume that if you actually tabbed to an edit field, > >>> VoiceOver's keyboard focus would leave the date field and upon tabbing > >>> back to it, the month would be the first focused field. Anyway, that's an > >>> assumption, I already stated. > > >>> So, long story, it's not really easily accessible and it sounds > >>> complicated but, once you're used to the process, it's certainly doable. > > >>> Hopefully that helps. > > >>> Slau > >>> as > >>> On Mar 18, 2010, at 2:27 PM, Christina wrote: > > >>>> I apologize for writing again about this issue. Is I am very frustrated > >>>> trying to enter dates into address book for birth dates and > >>>> anniversaries. > > >>>> Is this not really accessible, or do I have a voiceover setting set up > >>>> in a way that is causing so much distress? > > >>>> I'll try to explain the issues. I can interact with the date field. I > >>>> seem to be able to vo left and right arrow between month/day/year. Then > >>>> I have tried typing in the info or using vo plus up and down arrows. > >>>> Typing does not seem to work as according to a sighted person there is a > >>>> text cursor that is not moving with the vo cursor. I do have vo set up > >>>> so that it should be following the vo cursor but it won't follow. I can > >>>> move that cursor without using the vo keys and using just the right and > >>>> left arrows. However, there is no audio feedback at all and I do not > >>>> know where it is but if I type where that cursor is then it will type in > >>>> that spot. So, if I use vo plus up and down arrows to change the > >>>> month/day/year then it will move it up once and announce December no > >>>> matter what month is actually entered then the next time I use vo plus > >>>> up arrow vo completely jumps out of the date field. It is incredibly > >>>> frustrating. > > >>>> Is address book actually not accessible and should I use something else? > >>>> Or am i just not aware of the proper way to get this to work? I also > >>>> forgot to mention that I often have the need to alt plus tab to another > >>>> program then alt plus shift tab back to address book to get vo to > >>>> interact properly for a short bit with the date field. > > >>>> Thanks so much for any help or advice and I apologize for the lengthy > >>>> e-mail. > > >>>> Christina > > >>>> -- > >>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google > >>>> Groups "MacVisionaries" group. > >>>> To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. > >>>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > >>>> macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > >>>> For more options, visit this group > >>>> athttp://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. > > >>> -- > >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > >>> "MacVisionaries" group. > >>> To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. > >>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > >>> macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > >>> For more options, visit this group > >>> athttp://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. > > > -- > > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > > "MacVisionaries" group. > > To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. > > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > > macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > > For more options, visit this group > > athttp://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. 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