Oh, I missed that. Thanks. I'll give it a shot. :) On Mar 18, 2010, at 3:05 PM, Slau Halatyn wrote:
> Christina, > > Remember, in Address Book, don't use Control-Option-up or down arrow. That's > only for iCal. Again, in Address Book, just use the up and down arrow keys by > themselves once you've interacted. Follow the instructions carefully. > > HTH > > Slau > > On Mar 18, 2010, at 5:55 PM, Christina wrote: > >> Thanks so very much. That is a lot of work. :) VO keeps pushing me out of >> the date field while I'm using the vo plus up or down arrows to change the >> values. I appreciate your explanation and I'm relieved to know I don't seem >> to be doing anything "wrong". It's just a lot of work. I will play with it >> more after absorbing the info you just sent me in this e-mail. I have not >> tried tab. Hmmmm. >> >> Christina >> On Mar 18, 2010, at 2:19 PM, Slau Halatyn wrote: >> >>> Hi Christina, >>> >>> OK, I misunderstood your question and assumed that, when you were speaking >>> of birthday fields, you were speaking about iCal. I now understand that >>> you're referring to Address Book instead. >>> >>> OK, this is a complicated explanation. I'll try to make it as clear as I >>> can. Sit back and enjoy the bumpy ride… >>> >>> Address Book definitely has a bug in that VoiceOver often doesn't echo >>> typing and deletion of characters within a field. One has to type without >>> feedback and move away and back to double check the input. >>> >>> When editing a birthday field, first, make sure you're actually editing the >>> card rather than browsing the contact's scroll area and simply interacting >>> with the card's information. Again, I must stress the difference. Command'l >>> is the shortcut for editing a card. >>> >>> Now, assuming you've already added the birthday field, navigate to the >>> field and interact with it. Make a mental note of the month. If I'm not >>> mistaken, by default, the active field will be the month and the date will >>> say December 31, 2000. In this case, use only your up or down arrow key to >>> change the value. The up arrow will move the month forward like from >>> december to January and the down arrow will move it back like from December >>> to November, for example. Now, remember, you probably won't get any >>> feedback. You'll probably hear the year but don't assume that the active >>> keyboard focus is on the year field. >>> >>> When you've changed the month to what you think is correct, use only the >>> right arrow key to go to the day field and then use only the up or down key >>> to set the day. Repeat this for the year as well. Alternatively, you can >>> try simply typing the value and not use the arrow keys. Sometimes that >>> seems to work well but you might find yourself typing the wrong thing in >>> the wrong field. >>> >>> To check your entry, don't stop interacting or that will throw you out of >>> the scroll area. Instead, simply use Control-Option-left arrow to move left >>> and then use Control-Option-right arrow to read the date field. >>> >>> Now, an important thing to remember is that, once you've interacted with >>> the date field and have changed values and subsequently used VO-left arrow >>> to move away and back to check the date, when you once again interact, >>> you'll be on the last field you edited and not necessarily the month field >>> like you were in when you first interacted at the outset. Does that make >>> sense? >>> >>> In other words, you interacted the first time and the focus was on the >>> month. You used the arrow keys to set the month, the right arrow key to >>> move to day, the up and down arrows (or just typing) to set the day, right >>> arrow to move to the year and set the year with what ever method you chose. >>> Then you pressed VO-left arrow to move away and then VO-right arrow to move >>> back. Let's say you needed to adjust the day field. When you again interact >>> with the date field you'll be on the year because that's where you were the >>> last time you interacted and that's where the keyboard focus is. So you now >>> have to use the left arrow key to move back to the day field. Hopefully >>> that explains the initial concept. >>> >>> Now, if you use other keys to navigate, like Tab, all bets are off on its >>> behavior. I'd assume that if you actually tabbed to an edit field, >>> VoiceOver's keyboard focus would leave the date field and upon tabbing back >>> to it, the month would be the first focused field. Anyway, that's an >>> assumption, I already stated. >>> >>> So, long story, it's not really easily accessible and it sounds complicated >>> but, once you're used to the process, it's certainly doable. >>> >>> Hopefully that helps. >>> >>> Slau >>> as >>> On Mar 18, 2010, at 2:27 PM, Christina wrote: >>> >>>> I apologize for writing again about this issue. Is I am very frustrated >>>> trying to enter dates into address book for birth dates and anniversaries. >>>> >>>> >>>> Is this not really accessible, or do I have a voiceover setting set up in >>>> a way that is causing so much distress? >>>> >>>> I'll try to explain the issues. I can interact with the date field. I >>>> seem to be able to vo left and right arrow between month/day/year. Then I >>>> have tried typing in the info or using vo plus up and down arrows. Typing >>>> does not seem to work as according to a sighted person there is a text >>>> cursor that is not moving with the vo cursor. I do have vo set up so that >>>> it should be following the vo cursor but it won't follow. I can move that >>>> cursor without using the vo keys and using just the right and left arrows. >>>> However, there is no audio feedback at all and I do not know where it is >>>> but if I type where that cursor is then it will type in that spot. So, if >>>> I use vo plus up and down arrows to change the month/day/year then it will >>>> move it up once and announce December no matter what month is actually >>>> entered then the next time I use vo plus up arrow vo completely jumps out >>>> of the date field. It is incredibly frustrating. >>>> >>>> Is address book actually not accessible and should I use something else? >>>> Or am i just not aware of the proper way to get this to work? I also >>>> forgot to mention that I often have the need to alt plus tab to another >>>> program then alt plus shift tab back to address book to get vo to interact >>>> properly for a short bit with the date field. >>>> >>>> Thanks so much for any help or advice and I apologize for the lengthy >>>> e-mail. >>>> >>>> Christina >>>> >>>> -- >>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >>>> "MacVisionaries" group. >>>> To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. >>>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>>> macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >>>> For more options, visit this group at >>>> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. >>>> >>> >>> -- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >>> "MacVisionaries" group. >>> To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. >>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>> macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >>> For more options, visit this group at >>> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. >>> >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "MacVisionaries" group. >> To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >> macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >> For more options, visit this group at >> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. >> > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MacVisionaries" group. > To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. 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