Hi, Depends on the device. An Apple BT keyboard or mouse is available as soon as the iMac is turned on. I've only used old fashioned 3.5 mm headphones when messing with base level activities, so I'm not positive as to when BT sound would be available. My educated guess would be that you are correct and that it would not be available until later.
Later... Tim Kilburn Apple Teacher (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition) Fort McMurray, AB Canada On Mar 21, 2019, at 12:33, 'E.T.' via MacVisionaries <macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> wrote: Ahh ok. My neckloop is mono. One of these days I will get BT headphones. Only thing is, other than lack of funds, BT is not available until after login, right? >From E.T.'s Keyboard... ancient.ali...@icloud.com Many believe that we have been visited in the past. What if it were true? On 3/21/2019 10:14 AM, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries wrote: > Hi, > thanks for digging deeper ET. Positional Audio is usually only important > when you have headphones or ear-buds on. What it does is give you a > representation of where VO is focused in stereo. IF the VO cursor is off to > the right of the screen, then you'll hear it more in your right ear. Audio > Ducking reduces the volume of other things while VO is speaking. VO sound > effects is self explanatory. My settings in that category usually have the > first two unchecked, that is Mute Sound Effects and Audio Ducking, and > Positional Audio is checked. > Later... > Tim Kilburn > Apple Teacher > (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition) > Fort McMurray, AB Canada > On Mar 21, 2019, at 11:01, 'E.T.' via MacVisionaries > <macvisionaries@googlegroups.com <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> > wrote: > Tim and Simon, > After more testing, it looks like turning off the first 3 options in VO > Utility, under Sound solved it. "Enable Positional Audio" may be the key. I > get the same results in the beta partition. > Simon, try disabling that option and let me know. > From E.T.'s Keyboard... > ancient.ali...@icloud.com <mailto:ancient.ali...@icloud.com> > Many believe that we have been visited > in the past. What if it were true? > On 3/20/2019 2:39 PM, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries wrote: >> Hi, >> Audio Ducking is in VO Utility, under the Sound category. >> Later... >> Tim Kilburn >> Apple Teacher >> (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition) >> Fort McMurray, AB Canada >> On Mar 20, 2019, at 15:37, 'E.T.' via MacVisionaries >> <macvisionaries@googlegroups.com <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> >> <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> wrote: >> Where is that option at? My brain is fried from what I thought were scam >> calls but turns out they are not. If there is a way to pin down what the >> system is doing in the background at the moment VO fades out, it might help. >> From E.T.'s Keyboard... >> ancient.ali...@icloud.com <mailto:ancient.ali...@icloud.com> >> <mailto:ancient.ali...@icloud.com> >> Many believe that we have been visited >> in the past. What if it were true? >> On 3/20/2019 12:50 PM, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries wrote: >>> Hi, >>> OK. That's interesting. I've only had that happen on installation kinds >>> of situations where it's a basic VO. I've seen it once in a blue moon on >>> the Login screen or some other dialog, but not consistent enough to >>> troubleshoot. I chalked it up to something messing with the Audio Ducking >>> controls. I tend to have them turned off on my Mac, but with this >>> explanation, I can say that I've seen this before. Not necessarily on the >>> MBP I primarily use, but it may have been on any number of other units I >>> play with throughout my day. >>> Later... >>> Tim Kilburn >>> Apple Teacher >>> (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition) >>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada >>> On Mar 20, 2019, at 11:23, 'E.T.' via MacVisionaries >>> <macvisionaries@googlegroups.com <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> >>> <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com><mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> >>> wrote: >>> Its not TM. Seems that VO fades (good description Simon) mostly in 3rd >>> party apps. Happens on my beta (10.14.4) as well which has no 3rd apps >>> installed. >>> From E.T.'s Keyboard... >>> ancient.ali...@icloud.com <mailto:ancient.ali...@icloud.com> >>> <mailto:ancient.ali...@icloud.com><mailto:ancient.ali...@icloud.com> >>> Many believe that we have been visited >>> in the past. What if it were true? >>> On 3/20/2019 2:10 AM, Simon Fogarty wrote: >>>> Yeah ET, >>>> Exactly, >>>> So when you changed to alex the issue went away? >>>> The default voice I get with Mojave is not alex it's a female voice I >>>> think Australian which is also weird as they never run out of breath. >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: 'E.T.' via MacVisionaries <macvisionaries@googlegroups.com >>>> <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> >>>> <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com><mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> >>>> Sent: Tuesday, 19 March 2019 4:43 AM >>>> To:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com >>>> <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> >>>> <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com><mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> >>>> Subject: Re: Optimizing SSD drive >>>> This is so strange. I changed to a different voice and could not >>>> replicate the issue. Changed back to Alex and still cannot do it. >>>> I would not describe this as choppiness however. Its more like VO runs >>>> out of breath momentarily. Hit control and it immediately comes back to >>>> life. >>>> From E.T.'s Keyboard... >>>> ancient.ali...@icloud.com <mailto:ancient.ali...@icloud.com> >>>> <mailto:ancient.ali...@icloud.com><mailto:ancient.ali...@icloud.com> >>>> Many believe that we have been visited >>>> in the past. What if it were true? >>>> On 3/18/2019 7:42 AM, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries wrote: >>>>> Simon, >>>>> >>>>> Do you get the same choppiness on the MBP as you do on the MBA? I ask >>>>> because I'm not seeing that at all on my 2017 MBP with similar specs. >>>>> A little quicker processing speed, but nothing to write home about. >>>>> >>>>> Later... >>>>> >>>>> Tim Kilburn >>>>> Apple Teacher >>>>> (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition) >>>>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada >>>>> >>>>> On Mar 18, 2019, at 03:32, Simon Fogarty <si...@blinky-net.com >>>>> <mailto:si...@blinky-net.com> >>>>> <mailto:si...@blinky-net.com><mailto:si...@blinky-net.com> >>>>> <mailto:si...@blinky-net.com>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> MBP mid 2015 >>>>> 16GB ram, >>>>> 2.9GHz i5 processor >>>>> And also ahappening on a MBA 2013 Mid, 8GB ram and I7 1.7GHz >>>>> processor, nothing is a problem when running other services etc. >>>>> *From:*'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries >>>>> <macvisionaries@googlegroups.com <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> >>>>> <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com><mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> >>>>> <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> >>>>> *Sent:*Friday, 15 March 2019 8:32 AM >>>>> *To:*macvisionaries@googlegroups.com >>>>> <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> >>>>> <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com><mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> >>>>> <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> >>>>> *Subject:*Re: Optimizing SSD drive >>>>> Hi, >>>>> That's worth a try. Officially, according to Apple, those units only >>>>> accept 8 GB of RAM,althoughEveryMac.com <http://althoughEveryMac.com> >>>>> <http://althougheverymac.com/><http://althoughEveryMac.com >>>>> <http://althougheverymac.com/>> <http://everymac.com/>says >>>>> that they'll take 16 GB. Since you still have the older RAM, it's an >>>>> excellent troubleshooting step. >>>>> Later... >>>>> Tim Kilburn >>>>> Apple Teacher >>>>> (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition) >>>>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada >>>>> On Mar 14, 2019, at 12:06, 'E.T.' via MacVisionaries >>>>> <macvisionaries@googlegroups.com <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> >>>>> <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com><mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> >>>>> <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> wrote: >>>>> MBP 13 inch 2012. Intel Core i7 2.9GHz 64bit. 16gig ram from >>>>> Crucial (as is the SSD). >>>>> >>>>> I may have someone come over and swap the original 8gigs back in >>>>> and test. >>>>> >>>>> From E.T.'s Keyboard... >>>>> ancient.ali...@icloud.com <mailto:ancient.ali...@icloud.com> >>>>> <mailto:ancient.ali...@icloud.com><mailto:ancient.ali...@icloud.com> >>>>> <mailto:ancient.ali...@icloud.com> >>>>> Many believe that we have been visited in the past. What if it were >>>>> true? >>>>> >>>>> On 3/14/2019 10:56 AM, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Hi, >>>>> 4 to 10% is nothing. I have things taking 95% and don't have the >>>>> choppiness issue. Your CPU processes things simultaneously and >>>>> sequentially sharing the load as tasks are required. You can have a >>>>> fast processor, but fewer cores, a fast SSD, but slow bus speed >>>>> between the SSD and the CPU. It's a complicated set of parameters >>>>> that make things work in an optimal manner. What model of Mac are >>>>> you running again? What is the CPU speed and RAM? All under About >>>>> this Mac if you need to know that. >>>>> Later... >>>>> Tim Kilburn >>>>> Apple Teacher >>>>> (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition) >>>>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada >>>>> On Mar 14, 2019, at 11:26, 'E.T.' via MacVisionaries >>>>> <macvisionaries@googlegroups.com >>>>> <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> >>>>> <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com><mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> >>>>> >>>>> <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com><mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> >>>>> wrote: >>>>> No surprise. the top two processes are... >>>>> com.apple.speech.speechsynthesisd >>>>> and Voiceover. >>>>> The top one was taking anywhere from 4 to 10 percent of CPU. Is >>>>> there a way to optimize this? As noted earlier, I notice this only >>>>> when I actually execute a VO command. >>>>> From E.T.'s Keyboard... >>>>> ancient.ali...@icloud.com <mailto:ancient.ali...@icloud.com> >>>>> <mailto:ancient.ali...@icloud.com><mailto:ancient.ali...@icloud.com> >>>>> <mailto:ancient.ali...@icloud.com><mailto:ancient.ali...@icloud.com> >>>>> Many believe that we have been visited >>>>> in the past. What if it were true? >>>>> On 3/14/2019 8:36 AM, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Hi, >>>>> Try going into the Activity Monitor and seeing what's at the top >>>>> of the list. Note which process is using up CPU resources. I >>>>> wouldn't suggest quitting the process yet, but take a look to >>>>> see what might be messing with your system. >>>>> Later... >>>>> Tim Kilburn >>>>> Apple Teacher >>>>> (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition) >>>>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada >>>>> On Mar 14, 2019, at 09:15, 'E.T.' via MacVisionaries >>>>> <macvisionaries@googlegroups.com >>>>> <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> >>>>> <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com><mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> >>>>> >>>>> <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com><mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> >>>>> <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> wrote: >>>>> Simon, >>>>> I may have spoken too soon. Seems you and I are the only >>>>> ones. It happened a lot in the Finder, but mostly when I run an >>>>> app. It almost always happens, at random, when I press a VO >>>>> command. >>>>> From E.T.'s Keyboard... >>>>> ancient.ali...@icloud.com <mailto:ancient.ali...@icloud.com> >>>>> <mailto:ancient.ali...@icloud.com><mailto:ancient.ali...@icloud.com> >>>>> >>>>> <mailto:ancient.ali...@icloud.com><mailto:ancient.ali...@icloud.com> >>>>> <mailto:ancient.ali...@icloud.com> >>>>> Many believe that we have been visited >>>>> in the past. What if it were true? >>>>> On 3/12/2019 10:59 PM, Simon Fogarty wrote: >>>>> >>>>> I don't think it's a specs issue, >>>>> I was getting the same issue today on a mac book air that >>>>> wasn't mine and would have had lower than average >>>>> specifications. >>>>> I also get it on an imac and my own mac books as well, >>>>> I think along the lines that it's a voiceover issue >>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>> From: 'E.T.' via MacVisionaries >>>>> <macvisionaries@googlegroups.com >>>>> <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> >>>>> <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com><mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> >>>>> >>>>> <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com><mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> >>>>> <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> >>>>> Sent: Tuesday, 12 March 2019 8:09 AM >>>>> To: MacVisionaries <macvisionaries@googlegroups.com >>>>> <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> >>>>> <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com><mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> >>>>> >>>>> <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com><mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> >>>>> <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> >>>>> Subject: Optimizing SSD drive >>>>> Some time ago I upgraded the 8gigs of ram to 16 on the >>>>> MBP and swapped the spinning drive for the SSD. >>>>> I don't recall if the issue with Voiceover existed >>>>> before then. What happens is often when I am navigating the >>>>> Mac, VO will sound like its being throttled back then comes >>>>> back quickly. Its random, I never know when or what may >>>>> trigger this. >>>>> So I will have someone help me put the 8gigs back >>>>> tomorrow and see if the issue clears up. But I am wondering >>>>> if the SSD is automatically optimized or not. If not, can it >>>>> be optimized? >>>>> This happens even when I have done clean installs and >>>>> have set things up from scratch but I am willing to try >>>>> anything to run this down. Thoughts? >>>>> From E.T.'s Keyboard... >>>>> ancient.ali...@icloud.com <mailto:ancient.ali...@icloud.com> >>>>> <mailto:ancient.ali...@icloud.com><mailto:ancient.ali...@icloud.com> >>>>> >>>>> <mailto:ancient.ali...@icloud.com><mailto:ancient.ali...@icloud.com> >>>>> <mailto:ancient.ali...@icloud.com> >>>>> Many believe that we have been visited >>>>> in the past. 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You can reach mark >>>>> at: mk...@ucla.edu and your owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara >>>>> atcaraqu...@caraquinn.com <mailto:caraqu...@caraquinn.com> >>>>> >>>>> The archives for this list can be searched at: >>>>> http://www.mail-archive.com/macvisionaries@googlegroups.com/ >>>>> --- >>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>>> Groups "MacVisionaries" group. >>>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send >>>>> an email tomacvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com >>>>> <mailto:macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com> >>>>> <mailto:macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com>. >>>>> To post to this group, send email tomacvisionar...@googlegroups.com >>>>> <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> >>>>> <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>. >>>>> Visit this group athttps://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. >>>>> For more options, visithttps://groups.google.com/d/optout. >>>> -- >>>> The following information is important for all members of the Mac >>>> Visionaries list. >>>> If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or >>>> if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the >>>> owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. >>>> Your Mac Visionaries list moderator is Mark Taylor. 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You can reach mark >>> at:mk...@ucla.edu <mailto:mk...@ucla.edu> >>> <mailto:mk...@ucla.edu><mailto:mk...@ucla.edu> and your owner is Cara Quinn >>> - you can reach Cara atcaraqu...@caraquinn.com >>> <mailto:atcaraqu...@caraquinn.com> >>> <mailto:caraqu...@caraquinn.com><mailto:caraqu...@caraquinn.com> >>> The archives for this list can be searched at: >>> http://www.mail-archive.com/macvisionaries@googlegroups.com/ >>> --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>> Groups "MacVisionaries" group. >>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >>> email tomacvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com >>> <mailto:macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com>. >>> To post to this group, send email tomacvisionar...@googlegroups.com >>> <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>. >>> Visit this group athttps://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. >>> For more options, visithttps://groups.google.com/d/optout. >>> -- >>> The following information is important for all members of the Mac >>> Visionaries list. >>> If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if >>> you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners >>> or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. >>> Your Mac Visionaries list moderator is Mark Taylor. You can reach mark >>> at:mk...@ucla.edu <mailto:mk...@ucla.edu>and your owner is Cara Quinn - you >>> can reach Cara atcaraqu...@caraquinn.com <mailto:caraqu...@caraquinn.com> >>> The archives for this list can be searched at: >>> http://www.mail-archive.com/macvisionaries@googlegroups.com/ >>> --- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >>> "MacVisionaries" group. >>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >>> email tomacvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com >>> <mailto:macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com><mailto:macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com>. >>> To post to this group, send email tomacvisionar...@googlegroups.com >>> <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com><mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>. >>> Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. >>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >> -- >> The following information is important for all members of the Mac >> Visionaries list. >> If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if >> you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or >> moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. >> Your Mac Visionaries list moderator is Mark Taylor. 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You can reach mark at: > mk...@ucla.edu <mailto:mk...@ucla.edu> and your owner is Cara Quinn - you can > reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com <mailto:caraqu...@caraquinn.com> > The archives for this list can be searched at: > http://www.mail-archive.com/macvisionaries@googlegroups.com/ > --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MacVisionaries" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. > Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. > -- > The following information is important for all members of the Mac Visionaries > list. > If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if > you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or > moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. > Your Mac Visionaries list moderator is Mark Taylor. 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