well, the problem with the statement of jobs going wanting because citizens don't want to do them is this: there are citizens willing to do a lot of those jobs. it is getting to the point where some of the homeless are willing to take those jobs. sure, they are back breaking, but they will get paid. Hell, if I could get around the blindness aspect, I would go to work picking veggies somewhere. that definitely pays more than I am getting now on disability from the SSA.
-eric On Nov 24, 2017, at 12:43 PM, myguidedo...@gmail.com wrote: > I am going to steel a line from a comedy in the 60's. "Minimum output, > maximum prophet. There was a real fire storm on another list that was > inadvertently started by the moderator. It was about immigrants being hired > to do jobs in the U S, when in fact, the U S citizens did not want to do > those jobs, it was beneath them. In the case here, perhaps it is cheaper to > use workers from another country, or farm out the jobs to another country. > That is just business, though. Do I agree with it? No. However, if one's > agenda is to make maximum prophet with minimum output, so be it. The results > of the fire storm, the moderator closed the thread. The entire thing was > comical and sad at the same time. The moderator jumped in where he did not > need too and put a quart of gas on the embers that were already dying out. > > > -----Original Message----- > From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com > [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of E.T. > Sent: November 24, 2017 11:16 AM > To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com > Subject: Re: Illegal Student Labor Used To Assemble iPhone X, Apple Admits | > HuffPost > > Its not cut and dried. Its not a simple matter. The jobs can indeed come > back, and should. That would impact the pricing of course. Its called supply > and demand. Remember that one? Its a concept that went the way of the > dinosaurs. If people want to earn a decent living making these products here > in the States, they can...if the manufacturers would make it so. > > Would prices increase or decrease? Who knows. But consider the middle > class earning more thus having more spending power. > > From E.T.'s Keyboard. . . > "God for you is where you sweep away all the > mysteries of the world, all the challenges to > our intelligence. You simply turn your mind off > and say God did it." --Carl Sagan > E-mail: ancient.ali...@icloud.com > > On 11/24/2017 10:29 AM, lenron brown wrote: >> Um people always say that but here is what you got to keep in mind. >> These phones and things will never be built in the US. The company >> still would not make as much money. Do you really think someone in the >> states will work for what they pay them over there? >> >> On 11/23/17, Simon Fogarty <si...@blinky-net.com> wrote: >>> But Chuck, >>> >>> They can't take the jobs back in to the USA, >>> >>> Americans have to large fingers to get into those small spaces in the >>> phones and other mobile devices. >>> >>> They'd have to get really really young American children so the >>> finger sizes were small enough to put things together. >>> >>> Or make the phones and tablets larger than they are. >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com >>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of CHUCK REICHEL >>> Sent: Friday, 24 November 2017 12:34 PM >>> To: macvisionaries <macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> >>> Subject: Re: Illegal Student Labor Used To Assemble iPhone X, Apple >>> Admits | HuffPost >>> >>> Hi Mark, >>> >>> Can't wait to start bringing back these out sourced jobs to the US! >>> :) Just lower the US tax rate and we'll be assembling the Iphone's >>> here! :) Chuck "God does not play dice with the universe" >>> "Albert Einstein’ >>> >>> >>> On Nov 22, 2017, at 9:09 PM, M. Taylor wrote: >>> >>>> Illegal Student Labor Used To Assemble iPhone X, Apple Admits >>>> Transit school students said they worked 11-hour shifts for required >>>> "work experience." >>>> Nina Golgowski >>>> Apple has admitted that one of its main Chinese factories worked >>>> student interns overtime to assemble its iPhone X, violating local >>>> labor laws. >>>> The admission on Wednesday came after teenage workers claimed they >>>> were regularly forced to work 11-hour shifts assembling the pricey >>>> devices in order to graduate from school, according to a report >>>> published in the Financial Times. >>>> The tech giant, as well as plant operator Hon Hai Precision Industry >>>> Co., also known as Foxconn, has denied the student program was >>>> involuntary but admitted the long hours violated policy. >>>> "We've confirmed the students worked voluntarily, were compensated >>>> and provided benefits, but they should not have been allowed to work >>>> overtime," >>>> Apple said in a statement obtained by HuffPost. >>>> The corporation, headquartered in California, said it has sent staff >>>> to the overseas plant to address the violations, which it said >>>> involve a small percentage of the workers. >>>> >>>> The six students, aged 17 to 19, told the Financial Times that they >>>> were among a group of 3,000 students from Zhengzhou Urban Rail >>>> Transit School who were sent to the Zhengzhou factory to complete a >>>> three-month stint for "work experience." >>>> One student, who didn't want to be identified because of fear of >>>> retaliation, said she was tasked with assembling the new iPhone X >>>> smartphones, which cost just under $1,000, despite studying to be a >>>> train attendant. >>>> "The work has nothing to do with our studies," the 18-year-old told >>>> the Times. >>>> Foxconn, in a statement obtained by Reuters, admitted that some >>>> interns have worked more than 40 hours per week on "program-related >>>> assignments," which violates their policy. >>>> >>>> In 2015, The Asia-Pacific Journal reported that Foxconn's student >>>> work programs frequently violated the rights of student interns and >>>> Chinese law. >>>> "Foxconn, through direct deals with government departments, has >>>> outsourced recruitment to vocational schools to obtain a new source >>>> of student workers at below minimum wages," the report states. "The >>>> goals and timing of internships are set not by student educational >>>> or training priorities but by the demand for products dictated by >>>> companies." >>>> Factories that produce Apple products in Asia, like Foxconn, have a >>>> history of workplace violations and criticism from labor rights >>>> groups that have cited them over excessive overtime, unpaid >>>> overtime, hiring underage workers, underpaying student workers, and >>>> exposure to chemicals and other hazardous environments. Plants where >>>> Apple products were manufactured also saw a series of suicides in >>>> 2010-2011. >>>> Li Qiang, founder of New York-based advocacy group China Labor >>>> Watch, told Bloomberg improvements have been made at factories in >>>> Shanghai that work on Apple products, but there's still a ways to go. >>>> >>>> "Ultimately it's about production needs. From Apple's actions, it >>>> seems like they don't care about the labor standards they set >>>> previously," Qiang said, while claiming that Apple knew about the >>>> students' long hours weeks ago but didn't do anything about it. >>>> "They could have stopped these students working night shifts and >>>> long hours sooner, but they didn't do that," he said. >>>> Last April, an intern for China Labor Watch described working >>>> 12-hours shifts in an iPhone assembly line at a Chinese plant while >>>> sitting in a backless chair and being punished when a machine broke, >>>> causing parts to get backed up. >>>> "What is behind these Apple products are millions of hands and >>>> millions of untold lives," Dejian Zeng wrote. "Some of them are >>>> genuine friends that I know, who are still struggling whether they >>>> should use the restroom or take a nap in that 10 minute break, who >>>> are still struggling whether they should buy the 15yuan ($2.25) >>>> roasted chicken as a treat for the weekend, who are still struggling >>>> whether they should stay in the factory tomorrow and if not, where >>>> else will they go?" >>>> Foxconn did not immediately return a request for comment Wednesday. >>>> >>>> Original Article at: >>>> https://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/us_5a157b73e4b09650540e82ec?ncid=APP >>>> LE >>>> NEWS00 >>>> 001 >>>> >>>> -- >>>> The following information is important for all members of the Mac >>>> Visionaries list. >>>> >>>> If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this >>>> list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please >>>> contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list >>>> itself. >>>> >>>> Your Mac Visionaries list moderator is Mark Taylor. 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